Koi to Uso - Ch. 262 - Spying on the Smile
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If I put 2 and 2 together I get 4.
Jokes aside, I feel sorry for both the girls now. I believe this is gonna bring up the real reason behind everything.
Though I won't bring my expectations too high but at least the next coming chapters clears a few more things.
Jokes aside, I feel sorry for both the girls now. I believe this is gonna bring up the real reason behind everything.
Though I won't bring my expectations too high but at least the next coming chapters clears a few more things.
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This is a curve ball. If this is true, then why did they not allow her to be his partner? There is a file with his and her name on it. Why would they let him get his notices and put a stranger through the pain of watching their partner die? Also, have the girl who love him watch for the side-lines. Instead of being at his side?
So,
What if
The government found out about the girls looking into MC file and changed who he was going to be with. Maybe before the MC turned 16 the girls found out that the test for this gene was wrong and tried to change it back to her?
Then why did the government change the FMC notices date twice? First to her 18th birthday and now to about a month time.
For the new change, I think it is down to what the MC is doing. They are doing it, so that him and her can't be together.
Sorry, just thought of something.
Dark Mood
What if there is more than 1 person with this health problem at the same time? Would the government not put them together? We now know by the MC. We don't know about his "notice" partner's health?
So,
What if
The government found out about the girls looking into MC file and changed who he was going to be with. Maybe before the MC turned 16 the girls found out that the test for this gene was wrong and tried to change it back to her?
Then why did the government change the FMC notices date twice? First to her 18th birthday and now to about a month time.
For the new change, I think it is down to what the MC is doing. They are doing it, so that him and her can't be together.
Sorry, just thought of something.
Dark Mood
What if there is more than 1 person with this health problem at the same time? Would the government not put them together? We now know by the MC. We don't know about his "notice" partner's health?
..... Wtf. Ethics? Seriously? They talk about it in a very weird way. In the research community, what they are doing is absolutely unethical.
First, they gather and use very personal dna data as they like... They may have gotten rights to do it, but they are not disclosing the extends they are using this private information, they as misleading the population.
Second, it is COMPLETELY unethical to performe a test on someone, discover they have desease and not tell them because 'oh, it has no cure, so it would just be a bother to them'. No, this is wrong. Let's supose you have an incurable desease in your heart and you can die any minute without ever noticing... If a doctor finds out, they are obliged to tell you. This is an information pertaining to you, you have the rights to know it. If you are gonna say 'oh, but to tell a child...' fine, don't... but you have to tell the guardians of the child, and they are the ones to decide wether or not they should know. Also, this is not exclusive to the west, this is the norm.
So... this is just about the least ethical way to go about it and I'm very appalled by it.
First, they gather and use very personal dna data as they like... They may have gotten rights to do it, but they are not disclosing the extends they are using this private information, they as misleading the population.
Second, it is COMPLETELY unethical to performe a test on someone, discover they have desease and not tell them because 'oh, it has no cure, so it would just be a bother to them'. No, this is wrong. Let's supose you have an incurable desease in your heart and you can die any minute without ever noticing... If a doctor finds out, they are obliged to tell you. This is an information pertaining to you, you have the rights to know it. If you are gonna say 'oh, but to tell a child...' fine, don't... but you have to tell the guardians of the child, and they are the ones to decide wether or not they should know. Also, this is not exclusive to the west, this is the norm.
So... this is just about the least ethical way to go about it and I'm very appalled by it.
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So probably for plot reasons the grill takes his place so he can live and decides to not confess so he can move on easier.
Or some shit like that that is convenient for plot-san.
Too bad the readers were kept in the dark for so long with boring and uninteresting shit the readerbase didnt grow in 3 years despite the influx of so many new readers and an anime.
Or some shit like that that is convenient for plot-san.
Too bad the readers were kept in the dark for so long with boring and uninteresting shit the readerbase didnt grow in 3 years despite the influx of so many new readers and an anime.
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im just happy that the other chick is irrelevant rn
Well, I can't speak of the Japan of this story ( that has some really out there notions about personal liberty and responsability , if you haven't noticed yet ), but making genetic tests on a person without her knowledge and witholding the results would be a double crime pretty much everywere in our world. ( ok, technically his parents could had consented on the tests , but not saying a person or his legal representatives there is a disease is a BIG no no )
But the real treat is that aparently if, I understand the translation correctly, Misaki says that there are ways of mitigating/cure the disease, but they don't do it because of "ethics". Seriously, "ethics"? First , it goes against the Hippocratic oath to not treat a patient when there is a avaliable treatment ( while there are some exceptions, none apply here ) and second, in most countries doctors have a duty ( not a right, mind that, a duty ) to assist anyone ill as long as it is possible to them ( say, if a doctor sees someone having a heart attack in the street, he can go to jail if he looks the other side and goes away ). In other words, it would be unetical and illegal in most places to do so ... But not in this Japan ,aparently .
I guess this only means that most likely the whole notice system is probably just tangentially linked to increase the birth rate and it is more a soft eugenics program. Think about it: they test genetically the kids, pair out the "undesirables", pair in the "good ones" and obviously don't say a thing to anyone about it.
That is Psycho-Pass levels of casual darkness
But the real treat is that aparently if, I understand the translation correctly, Misaki says that there are ways of mitigating/cure the disease, but they don't do it because of "ethics". Seriously, "ethics"? First , it goes against the Hippocratic oath to not treat a patient when there is a avaliable treatment ( while there are some exceptions, none apply here ) and second, in most countries doctors have a duty ( not a right, mind that, a duty ) to assist anyone ill as long as it is possible to them ( say, if a doctor sees someone having a heart attack in the street, he can go to jail if he looks the other side and goes away ). In other words, it would be unetical and illegal in most places to do so ... But not in this Japan ,aparently .
I guess this only means that most likely the whole notice system is probably just tangentially linked to increase the birth rate and it is more a soft eugenics program. Think about it: they test genetically the kids, pair out the "undesirables", pair in the "good ones" and obviously don't say a thing to anyone about it.
That is Psycho-Pass levels of casual darkness
I think people are misunderstanding the ethics bit: it's bascially a form of eugenics, yet their reasoning seems to be that since it is incurable ( and yes it AFAIU) they do not disclose it and don't pair these people. If it came out, people would demand their data and at the same time refuse to have children with anyone that has said gene or might pass it on (not to mention those that were paired with someone who has it (dormant) before it was found out will probably become troublesome aswell). Not to mention the afflicted might go apeshit, so in that regard it kinda make sense ( tho it is morally questionable).
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@Mitsuboshi I ABSOLUTELY agree. “He should be happy and live without me” is some BULLSHIT bro, if he knew she were dying, he’d want to be able to cherish the last moments of her life together!! Such a stupid manga “honourable protection” plot line.
@Iskarioth
It is still unethical and illegal, not necessarily to the Ministry ( that is still shady as cr@p ), but definitely to the doctors that do the test. Like I pointed below, doctors are bound by international law ( so no, Japan could not bail of that easily ) to provide treatment to anyone ill if treatment is avaliable and if the ill person does not deny it ... and doctors are again bound to not withhold that kind of information of the ill person or their legal representative(s) by the same law ( and yes, genetic tests, while most likely processed by non-doctors, are still considered a medical act and medics have to involved in one way or another for them to be valid, so you can't weasel out of that by not having doctors in the equation ).
I can see them able to justify not giving notices to people with genetic defects ( the whole thing was justified with increasing the birth rate after all ), but not saying to the ill person they are ill and using that ignorance to not give treatment to them ... Nah, there is no way to justify this neither legally or ethically
It is still unethical and illegal, not necessarily to the Ministry ( that is still shady as cr@p ), but definitely to the doctors that do the test. Like I pointed below, doctors are bound by international law ( so no, Japan could not bail of that easily ) to provide treatment to anyone ill if treatment is avaliable and if the ill person does not deny it ... and doctors are again bound to not withhold that kind of information of the ill person or their legal representative(s) by the same law ( and yes, genetic tests, while most likely processed by non-doctors, are still considered a medical act and medics have to involved in one way or another for them to be valid, so you can't weasel out of that by not having doctors in the equation ).
I can see them able to justify not giving notices to people with genetic defects ( the whole thing was justified with increasing the birth rate after all ), but not saying to the ill person they are ill and using that ignorance to not give treatment to them ... Nah, there is no way to justify this neither legally or ethically
@rrolo1 Well it's part of the premise of this story. You can question it's validity as a whole but I see little point in that. The story is clearly more fantasy than SF. I more bothered by the fact that the morality of the matching system so far was bascially accepted by the audience and only now they start complaining. We knew it was selective breeding with a tinge of eugenics. It wasn't meant to just find the best partner from a happiness POV but from a "health" perspective as they put it. Healthy children were the focus, thus it is doubtful that they are all as "happy" as they are portrayed.
IMO it's more likely that people just yield to the social pressure what makes them acccept and go along with the system, lying to themselves that they are "paired with the optimal partner". And thus they don't question it, nor have they any comparison. Given all that it makes sense that the government would go so far as to select and/ or conceal what they should or shouldn't know. Since they already willingly gave the government the right to make such an important choice in their stead.
IMO it's more likely that people just yield to the social pressure what makes them acccept and go along with the system, lying to themselves that they are "paired with the optimal partner". And thus they don't question it, nor have they any comparison. Given all that it makes sense that the government would go so far as to select and/ or conceal what they should or shouldn't know. Since they already willingly gave the government the right to make such an important choice in their stead.
@Iskarioth
I do not disagree with you ... but again, what I was pointing out was that the doctors doing the tests were commiting crimes by witholding information and treatment that is required to be provided by international treaties that I don't see Japan being able to weasel out ( something that japanese mangakas tend to forget: there is a world outside of Japan ).
Anyway, that is completely diferent from the notice system, that does not suffer from that issue, since tecnically it is voluntary ( "technically" being the operative word ) both in participation as in aceptance of the end result ( we seen both things happening already in the manga ) . Sure, there is a truckload of social and governmental pressure, but all the process is entirely on a voluntary basis ... but , even if we pretend the doctors are not commiting crimes by not informing the ill person that is ill and actively denying treatment, where is the voluntary basis of a ill person not having treatment because no one told her she was sick? Yup, there isn't one
P.S In other words , the notice system so far, while shady as hell and reliant on heavy societal pressure, so far was always based on a atleast theoretical voluntary basis. Denying treatment and withholding medical information, because it can't be done in a voluntary basis, is in another league on perfidiousness.
I do not disagree with you ... but again, what I was pointing out was that the doctors doing the tests were commiting crimes by witholding information and treatment that is required to be provided by international treaties that I don't see Japan being able to weasel out ( something that japanese mangakas tend to forget: there is a world outside of Japan
). Anyway, that is completely diferent from the notice system, that does not suffer from that issue, since tecnically it is voluntary ( "technically" being the operative word ) both in participation as in aceptance of the end result ( we seen both things happening already in the manga ) . Sure, there is a truckload of social and governmental pressure, but all the process is entirely on a voluntary basis ... but , even if we pretend the doctors are not commiting crimes by not informing the ill person that is ill and actively denying treatment, where is the voluntary basis of a ill person not having treatment because no one told her she was sick? Yup, there isn't one
P.S In other words , the notice system so far, while shady as hell and reliant on heavy societal pressure, so far was always based on a atleast theoretical voluntary basis. Denying treatment and withholding medical information, because it can't be done in a voluntary basis, is in another league on perfidiousness.
