Monster - Vol. 18 Ch. 153 - The End of the Vacation
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@xeredge hes an officier and a detective, an experienced one too, so it would make sense that he wouldnt believe anything that doesnt have proof, which includes johan who never shows up and is basically a fictional character with no names or relatives and the few ppl who know about him are tenma who is charged with murder and he didnt know about other ppl who know about johan until late in the manga
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Change my mind: Lunge did nothing wrong. Except for his family ... and that journalist he blackmailed to write a false article ... and letting that rich murderer nephew go to catch Tenma.....
Ok so he mostly did no wrong, the point is he acted as a detective to the best of his ability.
Ok so he mostly did no wrong, the point is he acted as a detective to the best of his ability.
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This by and large has been a great manga up till this final arc, even taking into account my complaints about stuff happening a bit too conveniently / unrealistically at times.
However, it feels like the author is refusing to wrestle with some really interesting philosophical conundrums he has set up, and instead is leaning on easy answers and contrivances. For example, this town situation where there are Johan's agents mixed with the towns people, and all are committing acts of violence, would be a great point where the complications (perhaps impossibility?) of deciphering "good guys" from "bad guys" could play out. Instead, the author has Lunge use his superhuman detective senses to immediately tell the difference.
Similarly, even if towns people and outsiders could be separated, it is pretty lazy to act as if being a towns person necessarily makes you an almost innocent, semi-unwilling participant, while being an outsider means you're evil.
Taking a step even further back, you also have the overall question of good vs evil morality, contrasted with the amorality that seems to be the message of Johan and his allies. The author seems to want to ignore the fact that their message is attractive because there is truth to it. This is looking like it may not get dealt with (hope I am wrong), and instead we get starry-eyed speeches like Grimmer's to Poppe about what human life should be like with all kinds of arbitrary moralizing.
However, it feels like the author is refusing to wrestle with some really interesting philosophical conundrums he has set up, and instead is leaning on easy answers and contrivances. For example, this town situation where there are Johan's agents mixed with the towns people, and all are committing acts of violence, would be a great point where the complications (perhaps impossibility?) of deciphering "good guys" from "bad guys" could play out. Instead, the author has Lunge use his superhuman detective senses to immediately tell the difference.
Similarly, even if towns people and outsiders could be separated, it is pretty lazy to act as if being a towns person necessarily makes you an almost innocent, semi-unwilling participant, while being an outsider means you're evil.
Taking a step even further back, you also have the overall question of good vs evil morality, contrasted with the amorality that seems to be the message of Johan and his allies. The author seems to want to ignore the fact that their message is attractive because there is truth to it. This is looking like it may not get dealt with (hope I am wrong), and instead we get starry-eyed speeches like Grimmer's to Poppe about what human life should be like with all kinds of arbitrary moralizing.
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that seems like a death flag for lunge :-(
I'm 2 months late @Ceildric but Urasawa clearly has established the idea and plot point that the townsfolks are turning on each other. They are killing each other. Complicit in murder. When sheep are caged together hungry, they're bound to eat one another or starve.
But it's also clear that it isn't in their nature to kill each other. Urasawa has made this clear again. The town was portrayed as peaceful. Now even the most vulnerable individual can be a monster. It's genius writing.
Johan's agents being in town makes sense. After all, how can you get townspeople to turn each other and think their neighbour is a murderer? Lunge has clearly displayed intellectual feats way before this chapter, this isn't anything out of his reach.
But it's also clear that it isn't in their nature to kill each other. Urasawa has made this clear again. The town was portrayed as peaceful. Now even the most vulnerable individual can be a monster. It's genius writing.
Johan's agents being in town makes sense. After all, how can you get townspeople to turn each other and think their neighbour is a murderer? Lunge has clearly displayed intellectual feats way before this chapter, this isn't anything out of his reach.
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