Bandai Kaname wa Asobitai - Vol. 2 Ch. 9 - From the slider that summer
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Dang yo, good development.
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Tomika begins to say "Do you like Taiyou?" (太陽, Taiyou) but wusses out and changes it to "Do you like sunlight?" (太陽光, taiyoukou).
Tomika begins to say "Do you like Taiyou?" (太陽, Taiyou) but wusses out and changes it to "Do you like sunlight?" (太陽光, taiyoukou).
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Nice
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Finally a development, Kaname's a cutie
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@givemersspls seems more like a yandere, or autistic, type of obsession. It didn't feel malicious to me.
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@givemersspls is that really what you got out of this chapter
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Damn, you beat me to it.
But yeah these kinds of jokes/puns should have TL since majority of people don't know what "taiyou" means in Japanese, or what "sunlight" refers to.
Damn, you beat me to it.
But yeah these kinds of jokes/puns should have TL since majority of people don't know what "taiyou" means in Japanese, or what "sunlight" refers to.
@givemersspls i don’t get your point
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@givemersspls You missed a subtext in the lines Bandai was communicating in her speech. I would start my explanation with a really good picture I once saw of the same trope, but I can't find it. So I have to make due with https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/jokermourning_8002.jpg. It's not as good as the one I would like to link but the meaning it is suppose to invoke is close enough - even while being enemies, the fight was never about achieving victory, it was about the rivalry.
In terms of tropes, it's an academic version of the trope "https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou" and https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntagonistInMourning where in the trope implying a respect and attachment reserved only for a worthy rival. These types of tropes is always presented in a double layer message. The first layer is the typical words of animosity, yet by the way it is worded and context, a second layer is implied - a layer implying respect and attachment.
That was what @Logic and @Wnf saw. And why they were confused by your post.
The lines "My 495 beat your 482", "the English Quiz was also a 10 vs. 10", "I won 97 times and we have 120 draws" was not suppose to mean an over-competitive mindset, but an academic version of lines used between rival warriors in those historical dramas or lines between two heated, yet respectful rivals in a sports anime. Sames goes by the lines about "but if we were competing over taking care of ourselves, I would have a flawless victory", it not to mean she is making health a competition, but an expression of her wish he takes care of himself better.
Using the framing of their rivalry, she is poetically framing that she wishes to continue facing him at his best implying she views him as a worthy opponent which in this context also means some romantic implications.
In terms of tropes, it's an academic version of the trope "https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou" and https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AntagonistInMourning where in the trope implying a respect and attachment reserved only for a worthy rival. These types of tropes is always presented in a double layer message. The first layer is the typical words of animosity, yet by the way it is worded and context, a second layer is implied - a layer implying respect and attachment.
That was what @Logic and @Wnf saw. And why they were confused by your post.
The lines "My 495 beat your 482", "the English Quiz was also a 10 vs. 10", "I won 97 times and we have 120 draws" was not suppose to mean an over-competitive mindset, but an academic version of lines used between rival warriors in those historical dramas or lines between two heated, yet respectful rivals in a sports anime. Sames goes by the lines about "but if we were competing over taking care of ourselves, I would have a flawless victory", it not to mean she is making health a competition, but an expression of her wish he takes care of himself better.
Using the framing of their rivalry, she is poetically framing that she wishes to continue facing him at his best implying she views him as a worthy opponent which in this context also means some romantic implications.
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@givemersspls Because that's not my total point. Why do you think everyone else is calling this chapter "progress" and receiving this chapter positively but your opinion is distinctly negative? It's not just because of a difference in opinion, if they read the chapter in the same way as you did, most would look just a negatively on Bandai as you are. There's a difference in what you saw in the chapter. You find it irritating because you reading it as a characterization of her character: competitive to the point of insensitivity, making things like heath into a competition rather than recognizing she is stressing him out. What the others are seeing is she is using their theme of their rivalry to poetically convey that she cares about him - to indirectly wish him health.
It's not just she respects him as a rival - that you already understanding and can also see from my previous post, but a message between the lines implied. She didn't used the words of using "competing" on health she is literally making health into a competition. It is a poetic use of their status of rivals to convey she wish for his health.
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@givemersspls Okay, so you do get the part she is communicating that she is wishing him health, communicating that she cares about him.
However, this instance is different than your example. Presuming on the merits of the example itself only (as I have no reference to the story nor the other reader's arguments), there is a difference. Your example is all the readers all saw the same elements, but the others are focusing only on the positives while you're looking at the negatives. But in this one, I'm trying to point out Bandai's usage is her language is suppose to be poetic. It is suppose to be a mask. Like a tsundere acting cold is not suppose to say she hates the targeted character and/or being a jerk, but a mask the character puts up**. Same is Bandai making health a competition nor the listing out their matches - it not meant to make her be hyper-competitive, but mask with a poetic usage in this case.
As you did recognize, I mentioned the other comments as being indicative. In this case, if her monologue is suppose to display as being hyper-competitive, then most commentators would notice that. In this case, it is not because people are ignoring it like your example, but because she is not communicating an ultimately selfish desire to continue beating him up in competitions.
**If you're gonna say Tsundere are jerks. It is an trope used too much with many authors don't get it that it can't be all "tsun" nor to means to act abusive. My point is to use that concept as it is commonly understood of its nature (within our bubble) while analogous to my argument.
However, this instance is different than your example. Presuming on the merits of the example itself only (as I have no reference to the story nor the other reader's arguments), there is a difference. Your example is all the readers all saw the same elements, but the others are focusing only on the positives while you're looking at the negatives. But in this one, I'm trying to point out Bandai's usage is her language is suppose to be poetic. It is suppose to be a mask. Like a tsundere acting cold is not suppose to say she hates the targeted character and/or being a jerk, but a mask the character puts up**. Same is Bandai making health a competition nor the listing out their matches - it not meant to make her be hyper-competitive, but mask with a poetic usage in this case.
As you did recognize, I mentioned the other comments as being indicative. In this case, if her monologue is suppose to display as being hyper-competitive, then most commentators would notice that. In this case, it is not because people are ignoring it like your example, but because she is not communicating an ultimately selfish desire to continue beating him up in competitions.
**If you're gonna say Tsundere are jerks. It is an trope used too much with many authors don't get it that it can't be all "tsun" nor to means to act abusive. My point is to use that concept as it is commonly understood of its nature (within our bubble) while analogous to my argument.
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