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Ok, I think that it will be hard to other romance manga to top this one. Too bad the execution was pretty mediocre, but the satisfaction of reading was high nonetheless.
@shrot1234 LOL.
@shrot1234 LOL.
Dioti Manual ~Kamisamatachi no Ren'ai Daikou~ - Vol. 3 Ch. 21 - The Vessel of Expressions (Part 2)
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We humans are insignificant compared our universe; now try to compare our existence to the millions of galaxies out there. If there was a higher being out there and we as a species were created and cultivated up until to what we have become now, it wouldn't be surprising to have been created for such an 'insignificant' reason. However, that's what we think. We would be dealing against the thoughts of a literal god, something that we cannot even begin to comprehend.
We humans are insignificant compared our universe; now try to compare our existence to the millions of galaxies out there. If there was a higher being out there and we as a species were created and cultivated up until to what we have become now, it wouldn't be surprising to have been created for such an 'insignificant' reason. However, that's what we think. We would be dealing against the thoughts of a literal god, something that we cannot even begin to comprehend.
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Why does it feel like this was an overly long dad joke about destruction giving birth to humanity? 
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I've seen worse conclusions to manga even non rushed ones but something about this one really bothers me. After thinking about it I think I"ll call it the "lie twist".
What I mean is when a series tries to have a big twist that amounts to "THe thing you thought was true wasn't actually true because I lied and gave zero indication I was lying". In this case we had no indication at all the heroine was the alien and not herself and that the alien wasn't either unconcious or fully merged with her human host. Even when she was basically alone or there was no need to fully keep up the act she maintained it anyway for no apparent reason.
It's not that it had to be obvious but even her inner monlogues were shown to us as entirely human. This effectively contradicts the idea it was an act at all. But even if you put that aside the fact the series tries to make a twist by turning a well established fact into a lie is the worst kind of twist possible.
A better twist would have been if she ocassionally acted inhuman. Since it was established the heroine and alien MAY have merged then inhuman tendancies leaking out could be seen by the reader as signs of the alien traits manifesting. Then when it's revealed it was all an act the reader would realize that it was actually the alien making mistakes in her acting rather than a merged personality showing alien traits.
It's the worst kind of twist for two main reasons. First it's just plain lazy as anyone can make a twist by just retconning pre-established facts. Surprise the character who has a funeral wasn't dead, surprise the person we've given no indication is evil is actually the real bad guy. The second reason is it's just not satisfying. As a reader I want to feel like what I read meant something at least within the context of the story. But when the writer does stuff like this is makes the story rather meaningless. Nothing matters because nothing is real even within the context of this story. Any fact could be a lie or turned into a twist later and so any investment is wasted. A properly made twist should make the reader look back on the series and realize all the clues that had a hidden meaning to them.
But in this case the twist only made me look back and see all the reasons this twist made no sense.
What I mean is when a series tries to have a big twist that amounts to "THe thing you thought was true wasn't actually true because I lied and gave zero indication I was lying". In this case we had no indication at all the heroine was the alien and not herself and that the alien wasn't either unconcious or fully merged with her human host. Even when she was basically alone or there was no need to fully keep up the act she maintained it anyway for no apparent reason.
It's not that it had to be obvious but even her inner monlogues were shown to us as entirely human. This effectively contradicts the idea it was an act at all. But even if you put that aside the fact the series tries to make a twist by turning a well established fact into a lie is the worst kind of twist possible.
A better twist would have been if she ocassionally acted inhuman. Since it was established the heroine and alien MAY have merged then inhuman tendancies leaking out could be seen by the reader as signs of the alien traits manifesting. Then when it's revealed it was all an act the reader would realize that it was actually the alien making mistakes in her acting rather than a merged personality showing alien traits.
It's the worst kind of twist for two main reasons. First it's just plain lazy as anyone can make a twist by just retconning pre-established facts. Surprise the character who has a funeral wasn't dead, surprise the person we've given no indication is evil is actually the real bad guy. The second reason is it's just not satisfying. As a reader I want to feel like what I read meant something at least within the context of the story. But when the writer does stuff like this is makes the story rather meaningless. Nothing matters because nothing is real even within the context of this story. Any fact could be a lie or turned into a twist later and so any investment is wasted. A properly made twist should make the reader look back on the series and realize all the clues that had a hidden meaning to them.
But in this case the twist only made me look back and see all the reasons this twist made no sense.
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@Metazoxan How about her eyes (which Japanese people are often said to emphasize for indicating emotion) reverting to triangles all the time and the foreshadowing multiple times when they discussed the philosophy of identity?
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I did not expect that development at all...
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Welp chill people , From the start judging the value of this series you could really see something like this coming but tbh if the guy could get rid of all those capacity and Emotion shit it could have been more interesting . I dunno but for me the idea of two aliens coming to earth to investigate is better than all this .
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Shiva showed her side with triangle eyes though. most author would left some clues for readers to think about possibly but in the extent you can see and recognize them
Shiva showed her side with triangle eyes though. most author would left some clues for readers to think about possibly but in the extent you can see and recognize them
Huh I actually like this climax/reveal. It’s pretty interesting to me that an immortal being whose only purpose is destruction fell in love, didn’t know what love is, and spent millions years running a simulation to figure it out, and then set up the perfect confession (and completely manipulated/fooled the person she loved). My problem is that this kinda feels like it came out of nowhere like a runaway train and slammed into me. It feels like the author originally planned the story to go in one direction and then was like “OH SHIT I HAVE A GENIUS IDEA”, out of nowhere, and I have to say I like this idea much better than the direction the story was going, but it doesn’t make much sense. There isn’t any premises or hints that she was actually the alien or planned this entire situation from the start. I don’t know if the series got axed and the author had to rush out this ending or if he legitimately had no idea where the story was going until it hit him, but I do wish we could get a remake that was planned to go in this direction from the start and had more setup (I would even take a prequel about the destruction alien first falling in love; that would be great to expand on and show instead of just saying “BOOM! She was always in love”.
@Centurionzo I mean yeah, but why would an all powerful immortal being need a good reason to create a less powerful, clearly inferior, mortal race. Really no matter how you swing it, it just sounds like the guy was having fun or doing an experiment. I mean there are different takes on it in different religions and mythologies, but there is certainly a precedent for the god(s) just doing whatever they feel like cuz they’re all powerful immortal beings. Plus it’s really easy to understand. I mean, WE do the same thing. We test products on other animals and create/run simulations to determine the best course of action ALL the time with the only real justification being “well, they aren’t human”. We’ll use an innocent creature as a test subject before we use a human criminal that’s committed mass murder. Yeah, there are some advocates against it, but at the end of the day most of society just doesn’t care and most of them aren’t willing to go to jail over it. People use other living organisms to their benefit ALL the time; why wouldn’t all powerful literal gods? I mean yeah its a bit sad, but so is existence when you compare it to the vastness of an all expanding universe. Also what alternatives are there? God was lonely so he created some imaginary real friends (that later fucked up his planet)? God wanted to do an experiment? God was happy he created a world and wanted to share it (so he had to create people to share it with? Now that’s sad)? I’m not too into religion, but personally the idea that an all powerful being created a species as flawed as humanity seemed condescending to me no matter how it was spun (not trying to be offensive; just my take on it). Honestly existence has always been something best experienced when it’s not questioned; after you start asking questions it just gets depressing. Just enjoy the ride and be happy your alive (or don’t; Up to you).
@Centurionzo I mean yeah, but why would an all powerful immortal being need a good reason to create a less powerful, clearly inferior, mortal race. Really no matter how you swing it, it just sounds like the guy was having fun or doing an experiment. I mean there are different takes on it in different religions and mythologies, but there is certainly a precedent for the god(s) just doing whatever they feel like cuz they’re all powerful immortal beings. Plus it’s really easy to understand. I mean, WE do the same thing. We test products on other animals and create/run simulations to determine the best course of action ALL the time with the only real justification being “well, they aren’t human”. We’ll use an innocent creature as a test subject before we use a human criminal that’s committed mass murder. Yeah, there are some advocates against it, but at the end of the day most of society just doesn’t care and most of them aren’t willing to go to jail over it. People use other living organisms to their benefit ALL the time; why wouldn’t all powerful literal gods? I mean yeah its a bit sad, but so is existence when you compare it to the vastness of an all expanding universe. Also what alternatives are there? God was lonely so he created some imaginary real friends (that later fucked up his planet)? God wanted to do an experiment? God was happy he created a world and wanted to share it (so he had to create people to share it with? Now that’s sad)? I’m not too into religion, but personally the idea that an all powerful being created a species as flawed as humanity seemed condescending to me no matter how it was spun (not trying to be offensive; just my take on it). Honestly existence has always been something best experienced when it’s not questioned; after you start asking questions it just gets depressing. Just enjoy the ride and be happy your alive (or don’t; Up to you).
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humans are born from destruction, understandable
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Tfw you created everything, just to show your love.
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bruh you know i didn't see that coming from literally any direction and i had no idea how this was going to end, but i just want to say
good job i like it
good job i like it
@Metazoxan Well, if we go with the precedence of that one friend's little sister...it seems like the Gods can create human avatars, then possess them later at their leisure. I believe that's what happened with Shiva and Mika. Mika was Shiva's human avatar, a physical body waiting for her to possess. Then the Gods of Fate carried out her plan for the two(Mutsuki and Miko) so Atum and Shiva could possess them like the latter had planned.
