Genjitsushugi Yuusha no Oukoku Saikenki - Vol. 1 Ch. 2 - Return of the Investment
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@Lysander He wanted to go to collage and go into a government position. He seems so competent in this world because it isn't as advanced. I would think most modern countries know this stuff already from history. Souma is only as competent as he is because he has our history and documentation to learn from. His knowledge is nothing in our world, and he would only be equally as competent as several characters that show up later who are from that world.
@Nessen I honestly think you're going a bit far in this, I get that any competent ruler should've seen this happen and that Souma is only as smart or seems that way because he was sent into a medieval fantasy. I think that a large majority of why the crown (Albert and Elisia) didn't know what was going on was due to incompetence on Albert's part, Negligence, and the interference by the Principality. I don't get why people hate on isekai as much as they do. It personally is my favorite sub genre.
To tackle your point on why the demons stopped their invasion, I think it's because they only did so in defense or because they needed land. While we don't know enough to say for certain, the demon lord's domain has a large majority of uninhabited land. The demons seem to live in the far north of the domain, so the countries further to the south lost more to the monsters than they did to the demons with the exception of when the Gran Chaos empire sent out it's expedition.
@Nessen I honestly think you're going a bit far in this, I get that any competent ruler should've seen this happen and that Souma is only as smart or seems that way because he was sent into a medieval fantasy. I think that a large majority of why the crown (Albert and Elisia) didn't know what was going on was due to incompetence on Albert's part, Negligence, and the interference by the Principality. I don't get why people hate on isekai as much as they do. It personally is my favorite sub genre.
To tackle your point on why the demons stopped their invasion, I think it's because they only did so in defense or because they needed land. While we don't know enough to say for certain, the demon lord's domain has a large majority of uninhabited land. The demons seem to live in the far north of the domain, so the countries further to the south lost more to the monsters than they did to the demons with the exception of when the Gran Chaos empire sent out it's expedition.
@ShadenKnight I (and perhaps others) dislike the isekai genre because it has truly become lazy wish fulfillment copy-pasted. There are usually only minor, superficial hiccups that get in the way of the protagonist and on the flip side the protagonist habitually manages to solve multiple problems at once with expediency (the laws of convenience usually bending itself to allow the protagonist to do so). The protagonist is never challenged, he never doubts himself, he never questions if he's actually in the right; he just keeps going and going blithely. It's masturbatory, and if I wanted that, I'd just go watch actual porn.
"Souma is only as smart or seems that way because he was sent into a medieval fantasy"
Is there a law that says medieval fantasy people are automatically stupid? Even if so, they are stupid in a way that automatically favors Souma? If they're so stupid, why don't they just deem Souma as crazy or torture him for information? There are a lot of ways to be stupid, yet it conveniently results in Souma becoming king. Think about that for a second. So these medieval fantasy people are automatically stupid, but they're also just smart enough to abdicate the crown to a guy from another world because he may or may not be just making bullshit up. It strains the suspension of disbelief.
My point on the demons was simply repeating what the chapter itself said. I don't know why they stopped their invasion, the chapter didn't give the reason why, and I don't really care. I'm also willing to bet that, as is typical of the isekai genre, the poor demons' circumstances led to them invading the human world, that they're people just like you and I, and that they could all get along if they just forgive and forget!
"Souma is only as smart or seems that way because he was sent into a medieval fantasy"
Is there a law that says medieval fantasy people are automatically stupid? Even if so, they are stupid in a way that automatically favors Souma? If they're so stupid, why don't they just deem Souma as crazy or torture him for information? There are a lot of ways to be stupid, yet it conveniently results in Souma becoming king. Think about that for a second. So these medieval fantasy people are automatically stupid, but they're also just smart enough to abdicate the crown to a guy from another world because he may or may not be just making bullshit up. It strains the suspension of disbelief.
My point on the demons was simply repeating what the chapter itself said. I don't know why they stopped their invasion, the chapter didn't give the reason why, and I don't really care. I'm also willing to bet that, as is typical of the isekai genre, the poor demons' circumstances led to them invading the human world, that they're people just like you and I, and that they could all get along if they just forgive and forget!
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@Nessen when the religious zealots strapping bombs, they weren't starving, same thing for a kamikaze pilot. Have you ever been starved for more than 3 days? to a point where you're willing to eat moldy food? when a person is starved, he can only thinks of food, nothing else. my grandparents witnessed it first hand when the Japanese invaded my country and switched all the crops to cash crops, there was mass famine for years, my people who used to boast themselves as the most united against invaders had to resort to cannibalism. Seeing how you don't agree with the quote "With an empty stomach, moral and patriotism are just words." I can clearly tell you have never experience starvation nor the people you know had. It's really ugly when the masses are starved. If you want the easiest example then look at German Empire in WW1, before WW1 Germans were proud to serve the country and the Kaiser, the moment they experience starvation for a couple years they immediately revolted and forced the Kaiser into exile.
@Sesame_IceCream "the moment they experience starvation for a couple years they immediately revolted and forced the Kaiser into exile."
These are two separate circumstances of starvation. I agree you're right that when mass famine occurs over several years, it may appear that the people have abandoned their morals and patriotism, but I argue it is not the people who have failed in their morals or patriotism, but the government. To belabor the point, you could still say it is not the "empty stomach" of the citizens that erodes their morals and patriotism because it is not a question of immediate starvation (after all, they have apparently put up with it for years), but of the inability of their leaders to uphold their end of morals and patriotism which naturally justifies a revolt. When the citizen revolts under these circumstances, it is he who has still adhered to his morals and patriotism - despite having undergone a mass famine for several years.
And a mass famine over several years is different from being "starved for more than 3 days". I may or may not have been starved for more than 3 days, but either way, that alone would not be enough for me to renounce my morals and patriotism, and apparently, nor is that the case for your grandparents or the German people pre-WW1 - it was a mass famine of several years AKA gross governmental incompetence.
These are two separate circumstances of starvation. I agree you're right that when mass famine occurs over several years, it may appear that the people have abandoned their morals and patriotism, but I argue it is not the people who have failed in their morals or patriotism, but the government. To belabor the point, you could still say it is not the "empty stomach" of the citizens that erodes their morals and patriotism because it is not a question of immediate starvation (after all, they have apparently put up with it for years), but of the inability of their leaders to uphold their end of morals and patriotism which naturally justifies a revolt. When the citizen revolts under these circumstances, it is he who has still adhered to his morals and patriotism - despite having undergone a mass famine for several years.
And a mass famine over several years is different from being "starved for more than 3 days". I may or may not have been starved for more than 3 days, but either way, that alone would not be enough for me to renounce my morals and patriotism, and apparently, nor is that the case for your grandparents or the German people pre-WW1 - it was a mass famine of several years AKA gross governmental incompetence.
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