Hagure Idol Jigokuhen - Vol. 8 Ch. 52 - If You Love Me The Strongest
- Thread starter MangaDex
- Start date
- Joined
- May 14, 2018
- Messages
- 3,200
- Joined
- Jan 26, 2018
- Messages
- 2,182
@SuperOniichan Were you offended?
@Thelilwitch I draw the line when my hobbies ( be it gaming, anime, manga movie and the likes) that I loved for more than a decade get infiltrated, bastardize and weaponized, by people that bascially don't even give a shit for the actual hobbies. I don't mean that as a personal attack but America ( or more precisely an aggressive and radical minority) is trying to bend manga/ anime to their will, to to force their subjectiv and irrational morals on another cultures and I won't stand for it.
To the people complaining about why the mangaka didn't use otokonoko--which clearly describes the character better than okama--and instead went for okama: the former is a new word, the latter was the one popular in the 80s and Rui is old like that.
That's why he'd use "fag" instead of "femme boy."
Also, anyone (by this I mean Japanese people) nowadays considers otokonoko as females and they always use female pronouns or make them talk with a very feminine speech pattern, which is a thing in Japanese.
Another factor of Rui being totally out of place in this is the gag where the dick gets squeezed and everyone thinks of them as a dude.
Just look at the last 200 manga about otokonoko in recent years and notice how outdated Rui's vision of them is that of a boomer.
That's why he'd use "fag" instead of "femme boy."
Also, anyone (by this I mean Japanese people) nowadays considers otokonoko as females and they always use female pronouns or make them talk with a very feminine speech pattern, which is a thing in Japanese.
Another factor of Rui being totally out of place in this is the gag where the dick gets squeezed and everyone thinks of them as a dude.
Just look at the last 200 manga about otokonoko in recent years and notice how outdated Rui's vision of them is that of a boomer.
- Joined
- Mar 16, 2019
- Messages
- 16
Seeing the trans girl get referred to as a boy is a little offputting but I'll take what I can get.
- Joined
- Jun 12, 2020
- Messages
- 473
@Iskarioth
Actually Japan is one of those who propped todays trannies plague. "Draw a girl and call it a boy" (like in this case) was a thing for a long time. Not to mention that they already had cultural baggage of using effeminate men as substitutes for women in 17-19 century or so.
Actually Japan is one of those who propped todays trannies plague. "Draw a girl and call it a boy" (like in this case) was a thing for a long time. Not to mention that they already had cultural baggage of using effeminate men as substitutes for women in 17-19 century or so.
- Joined
- Jun 12, 2020
- Messages
- 473
Chuds. Chuds everywhere. Lets bait.
Trans women are women.
Trans women are women.
- Joined
- Feb 9, 2020
- Messages
- 188
@ugo7281
I thought "fag" is a derogatory term for gay men which had been out of fashion (i.e. the use considered extremely rude) since the mid 2000s.
And "femboy" or "femme boy" as a supplementary term for men of unspecified sexual orientation who like to dress up, crave the body type and imitate the behaviour of cute girls. The derogatory term here would afaik here be "trap", as in someone who would supposedly try to trick hetero men. And the boomer term would be "drag" or "crossdress", cause there were no other terms at that time. However, "drag" culture is much more outgoing, stage oriented and flameboyant and "crossdressing" is just the act of putting on cloths of the opposite gender.
So a boomer would use "drag", an insensitive person would use "trap" and a sensitive person would use "femboy". All of that is distinctively different from MTF trans though, as that is the term of a transitioning person who (usually) aspires to be called a woman eventually.
I thought "fag" is a derogatory term for gay men which had been out of fashion (i.e. the use considered extremely rude) since the mid 2000s.
And "femboy" or "femme boy" as a supplementary term for men of unspecified sexual orientation who like to dress up, crave the body type and imitate the behaviour of cute girls. The derogatory term here would afaik here be "trap", as in someone who would supposedly try to trick hetero men. And the boomer term would be "drag" or "crossdress", cause there were no other terms at that time. However, "drag" culture is much more outgoing, stage oriented and flameboyant and "crossdressing" is just the act of putting on cloths of the opposite gender.
So a boomer would use "drag", an insensitive person would use "trap" and a sensitive person would use "femboy". All of that is distinctively different from MTF trans though, as that is the term of a transitioning person who (usually) aspires to be called a woman eventually.
I don't understand why some people are feeling so strongly about this MTF character. There is no agenda pushed-- this manga isn't about trying to get people to accept trans people, although it could. The character is literally going to be a gag until she's forgotten in, like at most, three chapters.
Also, if you're one of the people who said that they're going to stop following up this manga because of the MTF character, you're literally reading this on a free site. Nothing's lost, lol. See you next chapter anyways bc I know you guys won't be able to resist.
Also, if you're one of the people who said that they're going to stop following up this manga because of the MTF character, you're literally reading this on a free site. Nothing's lost, lol. See you next chapter anyways bc I know you guys won't be able to resist.
Thelilwitch
Group Leader
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2020
- Messages
- 147
@acid
Exactly, which is why I’m so confused by ppl like @iskarioth .
Like, oh no, a trans character, there must be an agenda. Half the time, I think ppl just get upset bc of their fragile sexuality. Like, I’m bi, I’ll fuck traps, lesbians, trans, dudes. I think they just don’t like the fact they’re getting hard to “fake girls” or something.
Oh well, I mean, don’t read smut with lesbian scenes if you don’t want to see the lgbtq community, even if the portrayal is usually shit (like, come on)
Exactly, which is why I’m so confused by ppl like @iskarioth .
Like, oh no, a trans character, there must be an agenda. Half the time, I think ppl just get upset bc of their fragile sexuality. Like, I’m bi, I’ll fuck traps, lesbians, trans, dudes. I think they just don’t like the fact they’re getting hard to “fake girls” or something.
Oh well, I mean, don’t read smut with lesbian scenes if you don’t want to see the lgbtq community, even if the portrayal is usually shit (like, come on)
- Joined
- Oct 28, 2018
- Messages
- 472
Whoever's managing the trans girl's hormone therapy is one hell of a doctor, and I mean it as a compliment.
Also, on one hand I really like Nagisa since she's quite unique, but on the other I'm not sure if she's a pervert, or if she's just earnest in her wish to compete in sumo on an equal ground with male fighters.
Also, on one hand I really like Nagisa since she's quite unique, but on the other I'm not sure if she's a pervert, or if she's just earnest in her wish to compete in sumo on an equal ground with male fighters.
Here's the Kyokudozan vs Kushimaumi sumo match, in case anyone is interested.
Odoritomaki
Group Leader
- Joined
- Mar 5, 2020
- Messages
- 55
@Odoritomaki It is quite impressive, yeah. It's also pretty cool to see Kyokudozan's good sportsmanship and how the still groggy Kushimaumi manages to finish his part of the post-bout ritual (the kind of guts that the Japanese so admire and leave many a sportsman broken in their wake).
Thank you for the chapter and keep up the good work!
Thank you for the chapter and keep up the good work!
@Odoritomaki
Yeah personally always associated okama with drag queens than anything else.
Disagree with Paul arguably being the founder. Modern Chritianity has its roots at the Council of Nicea, called by Constantine I (who was officually still the head of the Imperial Cult), where the actual canon was established, with all other remaining books as apocraphal.
So it's more accurate to say; Jesus the Christ was the Unbuilt Trope, Paul who was Saul was the Trope Namer, and Constantine and the Council were the Trope Codifiers.
Yeah personally always associated okama with drag queens than anything else.
Disagree with Paul arguably being the founder. Modern Chritianity has its roots at the Council of Nicea, called by Constantine I (who was officually still the head of the Imperial Cult), where the actual canon was established, with all other remaining books as apocraphal.
So it's more accurate to say; Jesus the Christ was the Unbuilt Trope, Paul who was Saul was the Trope Namer, and Constantine and the Council were the Trope Codifiers.
