High-rise Invasion arrive - Vol. 2 Ch. 18 - Cruel Information
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It's hardly surprising that the readership for this series is plummeting. What were the mangaka and editor thinking?
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@justicex—
There are references to a character whom one would naturally take to be Yuri from the original series. Otherwise, the characters who have appeared or been mentioned in this series are new. But, I think that your characterization is somewhat backwards. So far, this has been a virtually new series masquerading as a continuation, rather that something that the reader is supposed to take for a new series.
Anyway, the art is worse, the principal character is not much removed from the Standard Dork of manga comedy, the tension is negligible, and the reader doesn't much know what is happening beyond what happened in the original series, but hasn't been given any real reason to care.
There are references to a character whom one would naturally take to be Yuri from the original series. Otherwise, the characters who have appeared or been mentioned in this series are new. But, I think that your characterization is somewhat backwards. So far, this has been a virtually new series masquerading as a continuation, rather that something that the reader is supposed to take for a new series.
Anyway, the art is worse, the principal character is not much removed from the Standard Dork of manga comedy, the tension is negligible, and the reader doesn't much know what is happening beyond what happened in the original series, but hasn't been given any real reason to care.
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I really don't get why they just like, axed the original, it had gone downhill a bit maybe, but this sequel I only recently learned exists just feels like a worse version.
This protag is a lot less compelling than she was, for starters, and it just feels like a reboot with slight tweaks which just means losing progress.
Oh well, I am kinda curious about the filled in holes of what happened between the end of the previous and this, but...
This protag is a lot less compelling than she was, for starters, and it just feels like a reboot with slight tweaks which just means losing progress.
Oh well, I am kinda curious about the filled in holes of what happened between the end of the previous and this, but...
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@Oeconomist
How is the art worse and how is Yuri a better character than the current MC.
When the old series started Yuri was just as boring if not more so because all she did was chase after her brother treating him like he was perfect and infallible. She was obsessed with him. She later became something more but that took what, 50 or 100 chapters? How can you compare a new character with one that had a lot of development that’s ridiculous.
As for the art, the environment is more broken down and ugly. It’s not as clean as the old one that does not mean the art is worse.
@Fari Yuri was only more compelling because you had a couple of hundred chapters to get to know her better. Don’t pretend she was that interesting when it started.
How is the art worse and how is Yuri a better character than the current MC.
When the old series started Yuri was just as boring if not more so because all she did was chase after her brother treating him like he was perfect and infallible. She was obsessed with him. She later became something more but that took what, 50 or 100 chapters? How can you compare a new character with one that had a lot of development that’s ridiculous.
As for the art, the environment is more broken down and ugly. It’s not as clean as the old one that does not mean the art is worse.
@Fari Yuri was only more compelling because you had a couple of hundred chapters to get to know her better. Don’t pretend she was that interesting when it started.
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@Sleepii Compelling? Maybe not. Interesting? Absolutely.
I didn't say she was 'best protagonist from the outset' or something, I don't think she was ever superb or something, but she was a bit more unique for a protagonist, this guy is... the same as most protagonists in series that have the shounen tag, barring Space being tacked on. He's fine, but he still has less freshness than she did.
He has time to come into more unique appeal, but it doesn't change his baseline being more standard.
Heck though, even if it was true her only appeal was she had a couple hundred chapters of growth, why would you get rid of said growth for another fresh start? So this guy would need to go through a couple hundred to be 'as compelling'?
I didn't say she was 'best protagonist from the outset' or something, I don't think she was ever superb or something, but she was a bit more unique for a protagonist, this guy is... the same as most protagonists in series that have the shounen tag, barring Space being tacked on. He's fine, but he still has less freshness than she did.
He has time to come into more unique appeal, but it doesn't change his baseline being more standard.
Heck though, even if it was true her only appeal was she had a couple hundred chapters of growth, why would you get rid of said growth for another fresh start? So this guy would need to go through a couple hundred to be 'as compelling'?
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@Sleepii—
The present art is much less polished. I'm not talking about the world being more decrepit; I'm talking about such things as cruder inking. I would guess that the decline results because the mangaka does not have the same assistants, but he may be less personally invested in the new series.
People who dislike aspirational heroes like to yada yada about them being unrealistic or boring. But, for audience members who dislike them, it really comes down to the fact that it is almost impossible to find personal validation if one imagines oneself's being judged against them qua standards. And for writers who dislike them, it is both the aforementioned desire for validation and the greater difficulty in which writing a story in which such a hero is challenged; a hack really will just write a boring story with such a hero. Either way, people who argue against there being art and literature that presents aspirational heroes are a cultural cancer.
The present art is much less polished. I'm not talking about the world being more decrepit; I'm talking about such things as cruder inking. I would guess that the decline results because the mangaka does not have the same assistants, but he may be less personally invested in the new series.
People who dislike aspirational heroes like to yada yada about them being unrealistic or boring. But, for audience members who dislike them, it really comes down to the fact that it is almost impossible to find personal validation if one imagines oneself's being judged against them qua standards. And for writers who dislike them, it is both the aforementioned desire for validation and the greater difficulty in which writing a story in which such a hero is challenged; a hack really will just write a boring story with such a hero. Either way, people who argue against there being art and literature that presents aspirational heroes are a cultural cancer.
@Fari I said compelling cause that's the word you used. As for the baseline part, they aren't that different baseline. The only really different thing about her is that she practically worshipped the ground her brother walked on. The only freshness she has is that and being female. If the author has a new story he wants to tell, a continuation or whatever, then that is reason enough to have a new lead character. Everything is in service to the story and plot, as long as it doesn't completely destroy what has been established.
@Oeconomist I didn't notice much about the art but I don't really pay attention to that. I will take your word for it.
As for aspirational heroes. I don't dislike or hate them. One of my favourite characters is Onizuka from GTO and he would definitely be called aspirational. However I just find her bland. She wasn't compelling or interesting. She did better than other characters in that she didn't do dumb shit and has a goal she set for herself and pursued it. I will give her that, but beyond that. Eh.
@Oeconomist I didn't notice much about the art but I don't really pay attention to that. I will take your word for it.
As for aspirational heroes. I don't dislike or hate them. One of my favourite characters is Onizuka from GTO and he would definitely be called aspirational. However I just find her bland. She wasn't compelling or interesting. She did better than other characters in that she didn't do dumb shit and has a goal she set for herself and pursued it. I will give her that, but beyond that. Eh.
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@Sleepii—
If you don't pay much attention to art, then you shouldn't inject yourself to defend it, and you certainly shouldn't speculatively impute a categorical error to those who criticize the art.
Yuri didn't just keep her head. She brought with her a mental toolkit; she knew principles of operation that most people don't bother to learn. That toolkit became less applicable as the story proceeded (and principals had or developed superpowers), but it was integral to her initial appeal and should always have informed how a reader assessed her.
If you don't pay much attention to art, then you shouldn't inject yourself to defend it, and you certainly shouldn't speculatively impute a categorical error to those who criticize the art.
Yuri didn't just keep her head. She brought with her a mental toolkit; she knew principles of operation that most people don't bother to learn. That toolkit became less applicable as the story proceeded (and principals had or developed superpowers), but it was integral to her initial appeal and should always have informed how a reader assessed her.
@Oeconomist
I am free to interject where I please. If I find the art isn’t that much worse then I am free to say it, just as you’re free to find it worse. Your opinion isn’t worth my more than mine.
As for Yuri bringing a “mental toolkit” you are free to see whatever you want to see, but I just saw a bland character who became a tad less balms as the series went on, but not anything particularly interesting.
I am free to interject where I please. If I find the art isn’t that much worse then I am free to say it, just as you’re free to find it worse. Your opinion isn’t worth my more than mine.
As for Yuri bringing a “mental toolkit” you are free to see whatever you want to see, but I just saw a bland character who became a tad less balms as the series went on, but not anything particularly interesting.
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@Sleepii—
You're free to do many things that you none-the-less shouldn't do, and it's adolescent sophistry to confuse this issue. Opinions count for more when they match fact, and it's adolescent sophistry to pretend that truth can be reduced to the level of taste simply by the artiface of labeling it opinion.
You were free to fail to notice Yuri's distinctiveness, but you should have noticed it.
You're free to do many things that you none-the-less shouldn't do, and it's adolescent sophistry to confuse this issue. Opinions count for more when they match fact, and it's adolescent sophistry to pretend that truth can be reduced to the level of taste simply by the artiface of labeling it opinion.
You were free to fail to notice Yuri's distinctiveness, but you should have noticed it.
@Oeconomist
Yuri's distinctiveness is something you saw, does not mean it was exceptional. Unlike the art which is something you can more objectively judge, her character is a matter of taste. To me she was bland to you she was exceptional. That's all there is to it.
As for the art, yes it is worse when properly looked at. Especially if you compare it to the prequel. So I'll give you that.
Yuri's distinctiveness is something you saw, does not mean it was exceptional. Unlike the art which is something you can more objectively judge, her character is a matter of taste. To me she was bland to you she was exceptional. That's all there is to it.
As for the art, yes it is worse when properly looked at. Especially if you compare it to the prequel. So I'll give you that.
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@Oeconomist
In your effort to be pendantic you are missing my point. You saw something distinctive about her. I did not. I did not find her exceptional, you did. That is all. You can try to phrase it however you want but she was boring to me.
In your effort to be pendantic you are missing my point. You saw something distinctive about her. I did not. I did not find her exceptional, you did. That is all. You can try to phrase it however you want but she was boring to me.
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@Sleepii—
“I don't like the flavor” and “there is no flavor” are claims of fundamentally different type.
In your effort to be insulting, you're being more absurd. Whether you imagine me as pedantic or not, it's not plausible that either of us seeks to be pedantic.
No, I didn't and don't miss that point. Objectively, she was distinct, both because she kept her wits about her and because she had the mental toolkit. Objectively, you failed to see her distinctiveness.
Boring or not, you should have seen what was there, and should not have denied its existence even if you were bored by it.
“I don't like the flavor” and “there is no flavor” are claims of fundamentally different type.
@Oeconomist
If you take being pedantic as being insulting, then that's your prerogative, but how you present yourself leads to me perceiving you as such.
You say objectively she was distinct, while I say that is just how you saw her. She was just like her brother/step-brother and his brother. Arguably not as able or capable as either of them. You subjectively see her as distinct. Why I don't know, but pretending it is objective doesn't make it so. Your views are not the objective truth, so stop acting like they are.
Her being boring to me is informed by her not being distinct or interesting to me, and I will not see what isn't there. You seeing something that isn't there doesn't make it real. Though I guess subjective realities are a thing, so that could be wrong.
“I like the flavor” and “there is a flavor” are claims of a fundamentally different type.
If you take being pedantic as being insulting, then that's your prerogative, but how you present yourself leads to me perceiving you as such.
You say objectively she was distinct, while I say that is just how you saw her. She was just like her brother/step-brother and his brother. Arguably not as able or capable as either of them. You subjectively see her as distinct. Why I don't know, but pretending it is objective doesn't make it so. Your views are not the objective truth, so stop acting like they are.
Her being boring to me is informed by her not being distinct or interesting to me, and I will not see what isn't there. You seeing something that isn't there doesn't make it real. Though I guess subjective realities are a thing, so that could be wrong.
“I like the flavor” and “there is a flavor” are claims of a fundamentally different type.
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