Isekai Kenkokuki - Vol. 6 Ch. 40.1
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This entire situation is thorny as all hell, I'm not even sure which Cultures the Author is borrowing from aside from the hints of Ancient Greek and/or Roman, and even using those to try to figure out the optimal scenario here is iffy to say the least.
Doing something would give Dibel just cause to state his case against Almus before the king, but considering the wholesale slaughter of refugees fleeing the untenable life in the former's territory he'd need to be careful to not bring attention to that and highlight Almus' interference in a domestic matter. On the other hand, Almus not only has accounts of what goes on in Dibel's territory, but he witnessed the overly brutal way Dibel's own forces used to stop unarmed civilian refugees from entering his territory, he should be able to claim that he had acted in the interest of the crown, there's something screwed up going on in Dibel's territory, such mistreatment would eventually fester and explode into a rebellion against the Landowner and by association the Crown, however, before that happens, it could negatively affect the tax revenues that the territory would be sending to the Crown.
Don't worry, I recognise the latter bit there as utter horse crap, it's presumptive to say the least and will get Almus into a lot of trouble. This feels like a situation with the only winning move in the big picture of politics being that he needs to sit this out and just watch, but I have a feeling that the name of the commander and the fact that the refugee shouted for help might be important notes that would help him choose the right call for his future prospects.
Doing something would give Dibel just cause to state his case against Almus before the king, but considering the wholesale slaughter of refugees fleeing the untenable life in the former's territory he'd need to be careful to not bring attention to that and highlight Almus' interference in a domestic matter. On the other hand, Almus not only has accounts of what goes on in Dibel's territory, but he witnessed the overly brutal way Dibel's own forces used to stop unarmed civilian refugees from entering his territory, he should be able to claim that he had acted in the interest of the crown, there's something screwed up going on in Dibel's territory, such mistreatment would eventually fester and explode into a rebellion against the Landowner and by association the Crown, however, before that happens, it could negatively affect the tax revenues that the territory would be sending to the Crown.
Don't worry, I recognise the latter bit there as utter horse crap, it's presumptive to say the least and will get Almus into a lot of trouble. This feels like a situation with the only winning move in the big picture of politics being that he needs to sit this out and just watch, but I have a feeling that the name of the commander and the fact that the refugee shouted for help might be important notes that would help him choose the right call for his future prospects.
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"Hey look, they have oil someone asked for help! Time for some aggressive 'peacekeeping'!"
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@CBC The only way, that I can see, for Almus to "easily" solve this situation (without any deus ex machina) would be to make Dibel allow the refugees to move to the Ash territory. However, for that to happen, there would obviously need to be a price to pay. I'm not sure Almus has the finances for such a thing. Especially since if he now proposed such a thing, the Dibel side would consider him weak (since he's so desperate to save commoners), and they would ask for a really high price.
But perhaps there's some other, less costly way I can't immediately think of.
But perhaps there's some other, less costly way I can't immediately think of.
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Imagine being such a shit lord that people are willing to die to escape your territory.
Anyone who's played even the tutorial level of Stronghold could probably manage better than Dibel can.
Anyone who's played even the tutorial level of Stronghold could probably manage better than Dibel can.
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@CBC Keep in mind that the peasants aren't just peasants, but actual serfs, meaning they're effectively a small step up from slaves (the Romans practiced both, with serfs being referred to as coloni, so the Ancient Roman theme fits somewhat); they can't leave the land they're bound to without their lord's permission and are pretty much subject to whatever whims their lord might have, with the sole exception that, should they be sold (as serfs could be sold alongside the land they occupied), they usually had to be sold as a family (though exceptions existed, of course).
As a result, legally, they're not refugees fleeing an untenable life, but fugitives trying to escape the lord's justice. Ethically, it's bullshit and I imagine everyone not on Dibel's side will side with Almus' decision when he inevitably decides to charge across the river and ground Dibel's army into chunky salsa; but it does make for a much stickier situation, because, legally, Dibel is doing nothing wrong.
Of course, there's also the chance that I'm entirely talking out of my ass because I'm misremembering some facet of Rosice Kingdom's laws that were previously expounded upon (which is entirely possible given this series' release schedule and the number of series I follow) that would make Dibel's actions grossly illegal by kingdom law, but given how nobody seems to be bringing that up, I'm unsure.
As a result, legally, they're not refugees fleeing an untenable life, but fugitives trying to escape the lord's justice. Ethically, it's bullshit and I imagine everyone not on Dibel's side will side with Almus' decision when he inevitably decides to charge across the river and ground Dibel's army into chunky salsa; but it does make for a much stickier situation, because, legally, Dibel is doing nothing wrong.
Of course, there's also the chance that I'm entirely talking out of my ass because I'm misremembering some facet of Rosice Kingdom's laws that were previously expounded upon (which is entirely possible given this series' release schedule and the number of series I follow) that would make Dibel's actions grossly illegal by kingdom law, but given how nobody seems to be bringing that up, I'm unsure.
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@Vincentius : Based only on the things mentioned so far, Almus possibly laid a trap in his wordings earlier:
1. He's only here because Rigar's forces are at the border.
2. He 'won't do anything' as long as they don't try to cross the border or attack them.
Since he's only here to stop Rigar's forces from invading his territory, it's not like he's obligated to capture escaped refugees either (even earlier he only told Rigar "I'll notify you", not "I'll capture them and hand them over") after all since the forces are about equal he can't just arbitrarily weaken his own force by sending them to capture refugees when the 'threat' of Rigar forces invading his territory is very real and there.
The retard commander will probably get pissed, but lacking the chill to hold back like Almus in this chapter, order something stupid that give Almus all the legality to crush them both in field and in court.
Oh sure the strategist guy might notice this in the midst of thing and try to tell him to hold it, but the fat bastard probably will shout back "I'M THE COMMANDER HERE"
EDIT: Checking the raw (40-2 is there) and...well, onion ninja warning?
1. He's only here because Rigar's forces are at the border.
2. He 'won't do anything' as long as they don't try to cross the border or attack them.
Since he's only here to stop Rigar's forces from invading his territory, it's not like he's obligated to capture escaped refugees either (even earlier he only told Rigar "I'll notify you", not "I'll capture them and hand them over") after all since the forces are about equal he can't just arbitrarily weaken his own force by sending them to capture refugees when the 'threat' of Rigar forces invading his territory is very real and there.
The retard commander will probably get pissed, but lacking the chill to hold back like Almus in this chapter, order something stupid that give Almus all the legality to crush them both in field and in court.
Oh sure the strategist guy might notice this in the midst of thing and try to tell him to hold it, but the fat bastard probably will shout back "I'M THE COMMANDER HERE"
EDIT: Checking the raw (40-2 is there) and...well, onion ninja warning?
Start with the 'continuation' of that guy whose wife got called for primae noctis and follow his POV.
His wife came back days later, weaken but alive.
The next day however he found her hanging when he went to check on her.
He learned later that the whole time she refused Gilbert, in the end the bastard got angry and order all the soldiers to gangrape her.
He became lifeless after losing her, and a few days later when the villagers decide to abandon Dibel territory and head for Ash's, he was convinced to follow them rather than wasting his life in the place that took his love away.
At the barricade, he hear the others talk about how Dibel soldiers even have archers with them and wonder if they'll get shot, then one of them comment that Gilbert is seen among the soldiers.
After the barricade broke and everyone scrambles for the border, he saw people begging for their lives or a woman with child getting killed and thought that rather than him who can't see any joy in life, these people deserve to live more, and he'd use his life to help them.
Yes he's the guy who shout for help in this chapter.
Then he noticed that the Ash side didn't move, and realized that "since it's not a problem of our territory, we can't act" is why.
Then he realize that to make them move, he must drag them into this.
And he remember on the night the villagers made the decision to leave, someone commented how Rigar basically pissed his pant in fear of fighting king Fermes.
And the elder stopped him saying that's an insult to Rigar so bad that even his relatives would get punished for it.
So he just shouted the insult out loud.
And as he expected, Gilbert immediately order the archers to shoot him, after all if he escape, that'd definitely piss off Rigar enough that Gilbert would get punished for it.
Then he started running across the river.
Archer shoot, hit him.
But one of the arrow flew past him and nearly hit Almus, the latter grabbing it mid flight with SRSBSNS written all over his face.
As he collapsed in the river, his thought was basically KEIKAKU DOORI
Then he saw a ghost of his wife extending her hand to him, with that "can't be helped" frown/smile face on her.
And the chapter ends with a panel of his corpse in the river, smiling.
; ;
His wife came back days later, weaken but alive.
The next day however he found her hanging when he went to check on her.
He learned later that the whole time she refused Gilbert, in the end the bastard got angry and order all the soldiers to gangrape her.
He became lifeless after losing her, and a few days later when the villagers decide to abandon Dibel territory and head for Ash's, he was convinced to follow them rather than wasting his life in the place that took his love away.
At the barricade, he hear the others talk about how Dibel soldiers even have archers with them and wonder if they'll get shot, then one of them comment that Gilbert is seen among the soldiers.
After the barricade broke and everyone scrambles for the border, he saw people begging for their lives or a woman with child getting killed and thought that rather than him who can't see any joy in life, these people deserve to live more, and he'd use his life to help them.
Yes he's the guy who shout for help in this chapter.
Then he noticed that the Ash side didn't move, and realized that "since it's not a problem of our territory, we can't act" is why.
Then he realize that to make them move, he must drag them into this.
And he remember on the night the villagers made the decision to leave, someone commented how Rigar basically pissed his pant in fear of fighting king Fermes.
And the elder stopped him saying that's an insult to Rigar so bad that even his relatives would get punished for it.
So he just shouted the insult out loud.
And as he expected, Gilbert immediately order the archers to shoot him, after all if he escape, that'd definitely piss off Rigar enough that Gilbert would get punished for it.
Then he started running across the river.
Archer shoot, hit him.
But one of the arrow flew past him and nearly hit Almus, the latter grabbing it mid flight with SRSBSNS written all over his face.
As he collapsed in the river, his thought was basically KEIKAKU DOORI
Then he saw a ghost of his wife extending her hand to him, with that "can't be helped" frown/smile face on her.
And the chapter ends with a panel of his corpse in the river, smiling.
; ;
