Narikawari
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What's with all the revenge against bullies manga? Was every manga author bullied in school or is it just their target audience? Also of you have to put tits on the cover to sell your story you must not have much confidence in your ability to keep people's attention.
what with all the super heroes movies? Was every director a person that wants to save the world or is it just their target audience? also, if you have to put muscle guys with underpants over the pants to sell your story you must not have much confidence in your ability to keep peoples's attention.
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@Turkeyjerkey apparently bullying is a big problem in japanese schools.
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@Turkeyjerkey Manga with a "loser outcast" protagonist also draw in people who like underdog stories, but yes, the main demographic is a combination of folks who like revenge stories, empathize with bullied protagonists, or both.
Tits on the cover isn't to keep people's attention, it's to attract it in the first place. Fanservice for the sake of keeping attention because you lack confidence is more like what Gleipnir does in the first couple chapters: distracting in a bad way, where you find yourself wondering why the story is happening on a backdrop of somebody's underwear so often.
Tits on the cover isn't to keep people's attention, it's to attract it in the first place. Fanservice for the sake of keeping attention because you lack confidence is more like what Gleipnir does in the first couple chapters: distracting in a bad way, where you find yourself wondering why the story is happening on a backdrop of somebody's underwear so often.
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that protagonist is too nice. i'll give him 3 chapters to turn edgy
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@firefox1234
I've seen a lot of manga where extreme bullying happens and always wondered if that was an accurate reflection of reality, or just the authors spicing things up in their fiction. Where I went to school, if you did anything serious you'd be in juvie before you could blink, but I imagine it really varies from place to place.
I've seen a lot of manga where extreme bullying happens and always wondered if that was an accurate reflection of reality, or just the authors spicing things up in their fiction. Where I went to school, if you did anything serious you'd be in juvie before you could blink, but I imagine it really varies from place to place.
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@Turkeyjerkey it is more than likely exaggerated in most manga since that is the nature of this type of artistic medium but i have heard from my japanese friends that bullying in schools can be pretty bad and most of it revolves around the "senpai-kohai" relationship which lets power get to some peoples heads. However, bullying in schools to the extent young kids turn to self harm, retaliation(ie weapons like guns at classmates) or are committing suicide for example definitely exists and is not a problem unique to Japan.
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@WhoCares
I definitely get sympathizing with underdog protagonists. The part that bothers me is actually that a lot of series are so transparent in their attempt to create a self-insert revenge fantasy that it feels kinda patronizing.
If you put tits on the cover, people are gonna come expecting tits. If your manga is not then full of tits, they will probably just leave. If it is, then you're just using tits to keep your audience.
And the people who will be attracted by such a cover may not be the audience you want if you're serious about telling a story. I've no problem with fanservice for its own sake, just when it's being used as a crutch in an otherwise serious story.
Ideally the premise of a story should be enough to draw in the crowd you're looking for, and non-sexual cover art can be very striking in its own right without betraying your integrity as a writer.
I definitely get sympathizing with underdog protagonists. The part that bothers me is actually that a lot of series are so transparent in their attempt to create a self-insert revenge fantasy that it feels kinda patronizing.
If you put tits on the cover, people are gonna come expecting tits. If your manga is not then full of tits, they will probably just leave. If it is, then you're just using tits to keep your audience.
And the people who will be attracted by such a cover may not be the audience you want if you're serious about telling a story. I've no problem with fanservice for its own sake, just when it's being used as a crutch in an otherwise serious story.
Ideally the premise of a story should be enough to draw in the crowd you're looking for, and non-sexual cover art can be very striking in its own right without betraying your integrity as a writer.
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@firefox1234
Yeah, you still hear about this stuff on the news fairly often, I guess my opinion has been colored by my own experience.
Though I think it's important to note that things like shooting/suicide/self-harm are often the result of underlying mental health issues that are exacerbated by bullying, not solely caused by it. Many people who do those things weren't victims of bullying, and many bullying victims never turn to them. Though the link to bullying can be quite direct in the more extreme cases.
Yeah, you still hear about this stuff on the news fairly often, I guess my opinion has been colored by my own experience.
Though I think it's important to note that things like shooting/suicide/self-harm are often the result of underlying mental health issues that are exacerbated by bullying, not solely caused by it. Many people who do those things weren't victims of bullying, and many bullying victims never turn to them. Though the link to bullying can be quite direct in the more extreme cases.
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@Turkeyjerkey i definitely understand where you are coming from regarding your views being shaped by personal experience. Growing up in my school years if there was even a hint of bullying you wud be in some deep shit that I could never imagine a scenario where it got as bad as it did in manga or even the stories on the news (Not to say bullying never occured where I grew up but it hardly got as bad as described in the media or manga for example). I guess we can just count ourselves lucky that we weren't in such terrible environments but they sadly they do exist. However, i did not mean to imply that correlation meant causation. You are right that factors such as ones mental health has a significant role since most people who get bullied probably dont go to such extreme measures.
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@Turkeyjerkey I also feel patronized by transparency; it's why in-your-face ecchi series make me roll my eyes when I'm reading even if the story is actually well-written otherwise.
Breaking it down more precisely, this kind of transparency stems from a shared understanding: the message is "we all know what you're here for, you've read something like this a million times, let's dispense with the pretense/setup and get to the good stuff." If you aren't a member of the group that's reading for that reason, and especially if you disdain reading for that reason, yeah, you're going to feel patronized and insulted—the author is acting like they know you and know that you're a "shallow" idiot.
The phenomenon itself isn't bad, though; to people who read a lot of the same thing, skipping or speeding through bits that are basically the same as everything else they've read in the genre is actually preferred. (Just look at how quickly isekai and otomesekai zip through their early setting/premise-establishing parts.)
Breaking it down more precisely, this kind of transparency stems from a shared understanding: the message is "we all know what you're here for, you've read something like this a million times, let's dispense with the pretense/setup and get to the good stuff." If you aren't a member of the group that's reading for that reason, and especially if you disdain reading for that reason, yeah, you're going to feel patronized and insulted—the author is acting like they know you and know that you're a "shallow" idiot.
The phenomenon itself isn't bad, though; to people who read a lot of the same thing, skipping or speeding through bits that are basically the same as everything else they've read in the genre is actually preferred. (Just look at how quickly isekai and otomesekai zip through their early setting/premise-establishing parts.)
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Interesting manga, is remembered me with "Future Diary/Mirrai Nikki"
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Meh, cool idea but seems so run of the mil.
