Princess Candle - Vol. 1 Ch. 4 - I don't care if I'm hated
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She's overly loyal to the point of actually being a hassle to the princess. I get she wants the Princess to live befitting to her title but she doesn't consider what the Princess herself wants and that makes her an incredibly useless vassal. Still, i do wish she gets a break at least and this doesn't get too bloody too quickly.
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I find it impossible to take seriously a marquis named Mifh.
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OK, a couple pages on I just can't hack this any more. It's ridiculous and stupid. Nothing depicted would work the way they're having it work. As far as I can tell, the MC's nemesis has no formal authority at the nunnery, so how on earth can she be calling the shots on whether the princess sees anyone? Nunneries were very regimented places, all this chaos is totally out of place. Further, nobody, and I mean nobody, in a medieval nunnery would try to stop a princess from seeing a marquis. If you're the mother superior that's a good way to stop being one pretty damn quick, and if you're not it's a good way to end up on bread, water, a vow of silence, and thirty lashes a day.
But beyond that, this mangaka just doesn't seem to understand the attitude people had to nobility--and that the monastic system wasn't an alternative to that, it was part of that. The nobility bossed the priesthood; eldest sons inherited, second sons became bishops and stuff, younger daughters might become boss nuns. In real life it would seriously never have occurred to anyone that a princess shouldn't get special treatment in a nunnery. Trying to act vaguely equal would be seen as really weird although perhaps impressively pious; it'd be like "Oh wow, look at how she's showing the virtue of humility by pretending to be a miserable sinner like the rest of us!" The only way she'd get treated remotely equally is if the nunnery was strongly, overtly allied with her political enemies, like if the mother superior was the bad guy prince's cousin. Similarly, bad consequences aside nobody would have dreamed of stopping a princess from having an audience with a marquis just because it's a nunnery (or just because they're having a feud with the princess' servant). They might have held it outside the gates, but they would have made it happen.
Read a little further--yeah, and the twist is moronic.
I just find it hard to read medieval setting stuff written by people who know dick all about it. I'm outta here.
But beyond that, this mangaka just doesn't seem to understand the attitude people had to nobility--and that the monastic system wasn't an alternative to that, it was part of that. The nobility bossed the priesthood; eldest sons inherited, second sons became bishops and stuff, younger daughters might become boss nuns. In real life it would seriously never have occurred to anyone that a princess shouldn't get special treatment in a nunnery. Trying to act vaguely equal would be seen as really weird although perhaps impressively pious; it'd be like "Oh wow, look at how she's showing the virtue of humility by pretending to be a miserable sinner like the rest of us!" The only way she'd get treated remotely equally is if the nunnery was strongly, overtly allied with her political enemies, like if the mother superior was the bad guy prince's cousin. Similarly, bad consequences aside nobody would have dreamed of stopping a princess from having an audience with a marquis just because it's a nunnery (or just because they're having a feud with the princess' servant). They might have held it outside the gates, but they would have made it happen.
Read a little further--yeah, and the twist is moronic.
No bandit would be able to successfully ape a knight to a servant from court. The language used, mannerisms--it wouldn't work for a second. Putting on a fucking tabard? Don't make me laugh.
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@Purplelibraryguy I understand your point of view but i don't think the author want to do a manga on medieval time accuratly but more a yuri-ish manga with medevial stuff setting. I think if you prefer real medieval manga, this one is not really for you.
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@Purplelibraryguy: don't be so picky, after all it's probably the debut manga of a young author, I doubt he did much research on the medieval convents and society. Moreover, how many readers do you think know (and care about) those things? Not the japanese readers for sure, not many european ones either.
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@Purplelibraryguy I think Yajenka is the head of the lay sisters. That she'd have authority over Flora, a servant, makes a bit of sense. For the rest, we severely lack context at the moment, so I don't know why the Princess would have so little sway, except if she's been stripped of all her nobility by the new King and is considered a commoner. But since the political situation isn't stable, people are still cautious and don't treat her like one.
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Anyway, regarding the historic setting, this manga surely isn't surely as historically accurate as "The Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco, so...
Even manga like Vagabond, who are considered masterpieces, aren't historically accurate AT ALL! In Vagabond a lot of things aren't only totally made up, but many events have been embellished, probably not to put in shame the main character (Musashi Miyamoto).
Even manga like Vagabond, who are considered masterpieces, aren't historically accurate AT ALL! In Vagabond a lot of things aren't only totally made up, but many events have been embellished, probably not to put in shame the main character (Musashi Miyamoto).
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@Thelegendarytaeyamada How many readers know or care about this stuff?
Well, me.
I don't care much what anyone else likes--it'd be stupid to read something because although maybe I can't stand it, lots of people love it.
@Lilliwyt I guess I am spoiled by the quality of many Western fantasy novels.
@Kirin-kun Possibly, but the whole way everyone behaves and reacts just grates on me and rings false to me so I just can't find it in me to extend as much benefit of the doubt as I might. I feel like an enthusiastic chess player watching a lousy one make all the wrong moves.
Well, me.
I don't care much what anyone else likes--it'd be stupid to read something because although maybe I can't stand it, lots of people love it.
@Lilliwyt I guess I am spoiled by the quality of many Western fantasy novels.
@Kirin-kun Possibly, but the whole way everyone behaves and reacts just grates on me and rings false to me so I just can't find it in me to extend as much benefit of the doubt as I might. I feel like an enthusiastic chess player watching a lousy one make all the wrong moves.
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@Purplelibraryguy Maybe you put too much thought in it, try to read it without thinking about how it's accurate. If you don't, maybe it's better to drop it. It's better to stop reading when you start to hate because it ruin your experience.
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Is she ever not going to be a push over????
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I agree... but I'll stick around till the end
Gatta see if it gets redeemed or not
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well, I guess I can't (and don't want to) change your mind, I just think that you should enjoy the story and especially the art, more than judging the historical accuracy or if the characters behave according to the real rules of society at the time.
well, I guess I can't (and don't want to) change your mind, I just think that you should enjoy the story and especially the art, more than judging the historical accuracy or if the characters behave according to the real rules of society at the time.
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@Thelegendarytaeyamada There is less than no point in telling people what they ought to enjoy.
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@Purplelibraryguy:
in fact I didn't tell you that you have to enjoy this manga DESPITE its flaws, but for its good qualities. Of course if you don't even like the art there's not much to do. I do like the art, because I like the author's style. Do I like the plot too? Probably it's too soon to say, given the fact that the story has just started to be really interesting!
Sooo, if I were you, I would read a couple of chapters more, before deciding to drop it or not. Besides this manga has only 2 volumes, which means that even if you (or someone else) doesn't like too much it wouldn't be a great waste of time.
in fact I didn't tell you that you have to enjoy this manga DESPITE its flaws, but for its good qualities. Of course if you don't even like the art there's not much to do. I do like the art, because I like the author's style. Do I like the plot too? Probably it's too soon to say, given the fact that the story has just started to be really interesting!
Sooo, if I were you, I would read a couple of chapters more, before deciding to drop it or not. Besides this manga has only 2 volumes, which means that even if you (or someone else) doesn't like too much it wouldn't be a great waste of time.
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@Thelegendarytaeyamada Arrogant much? Why are you assuming I didn't understand what you said? Look. I've been reading manga for decades. And I read a lot of manga. Reading a given manga has an opportunity cost. It means I won't be doing something else, such as read some other manga. So for instance, I read very little yaoi, not because I have any objection to it but because it doesn't turn my crank, so the characterization will have to be really good to make it worth my time.
I also don't read a whole lot of manga with a medieval setting, because yeah, often I find it bland and unconvincing at best, because I know a lot about medieval times from education, reading, and game mastering paper & pencil roleplaying games with medieval settings for more than 30 years. I cannot un-know it. If it's Spice and Wolf, I won't be complaining. I also only react mildly to the experience of art unless it's really amazing; if you're talking Ran to Haiiro no Sekai, then OK I can read it for the art. Short of that, not so much; I read manga mostly for reasons other than art quality. This has fairly nice art I guess, but not enough to make me react emotionally. That's because I am not you.
So no, the art is not going to make it worth it for me and yes, I think I have some idea what is for me personally worth my time. So do I have your lordly fucking permission to read what I want according to my tastes?!
I also don't read a whole lot of manga with a medieval setting, because yeah, often I find it bland and unconvincing at best, because I know a lot about medieval times from education, reading, and game mastering paper & pencil roleplaying games with medieval settings for more than 30 years. I cannot un-know it. If it's Spice and Wolf, I won't be complaining. I also only react mildly to the experience of art unless it's really amazing; if you're talking Ran to Haiiro no Sekai, then OK I can read it for the art. Short of that, not so much; I read manga mostly for reasons other than art quality. This has fairly nice art I guess, but not enough to make me react emotionally. That's because I am not you.
So no, the art is not going to make it worth it for me and yes, I think I have some idea what is for me personally worth my time. So do I have your lordly fucking permission to read what I want according to my tastes?!
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