Ryuu to Yuusha to Haitatsunin - Vol. 1 Ch. 3 - The Paper, the Knife, and the Messenger
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Oh you kooky kids and your sharp requests of love....
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Damn paper history goes deeper than i thought.
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...I'm going to need a bit more context as to why she's in love. Like, you can see that that's the "twist" from a mile away, but like, from what we've seen, there is absolutely no reason for her to like him and vice versa. Not everything can be explained by love, people! Especially when the love can't be explained!
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@Ceiye Not hard to imagine how, they're the children of guildmasters and likely spent much time together in childhood. As tension between the two guilds has built it has created a classic Romeo and Juliet scenario, and yet the proximity of their shop fronts leaves them tantalisingly close.
Not sure why you'd need all that explained though, being a throwaway pair of characters existing as the vehicle for the story's premise.
Not sure why you'd need all that explained though, being a throwaway pair of characters existing as the vehicle for the story's premise.
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@gronkle Yeah that's the exact thing I'm complaining about. The "Romeo and Juliet" is such a cliche that we can assume that that is the case as soon as anything about two opposing families comes up. But it doesn't make any sense if only one side seems to fall under that and the other one is just like "I guess." And especially when these two throwaway characters didn't even have a panel that even remotely resembled anything romantic. My general metric is that if I were to read something without any text on it, would I be able to guess that there is romance?
I have a ton of conplaints about this particular cliche that just culminated here because this actually doesn't make any kind of sense. The entire trope is built on us just assuming that this is just what happens in a feuding families situation, and it's frustrating that it's used so often in throwaway situations cause it's convenient. I'm mostly sad that THIS was the way the mangaka decided to show how parchment works in this world
I have a ton of conplaints about this particular cliche that just culminated here because this actually doesn't make any kind of sense. The entire trope is built on us just assuming that this is just what happens in a feuding families situation, and it's frustrating that it's used so often in throwaway situations cause it's convenient. I'm mostly sad that THIS was the way the mangaka decided to show how parchment works in this world
How does scraping the parchment work? Won't it rip if you use a knife?
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The chapter itself kinda makes fun of that with the old guy knowing what's going on at first glance and their frankly embarrassing ways of hiding their relationship (that'll only draw attention to themselves) after she basically shouted that she likes him to everyone who can hear.
Overall, I feel like it's clear that its not a big deal that they're dating.
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The chapter itself kinda makes fun of that with the old guy knowing what's going on at first glance and their frankly embarrassing ways of hiding their relationship (that'll only draw attention to themselves) after she basically shouted that she likes him to everyone who can hear.
Overall, I feel like it's clear that its not a big deal that they're dating.
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History buffs could frown on a number of details here. One being that while preindustrial paper was technically speaking indeed made of vegetable matter that took the form of recycling old plant-fiber textiles (hemp, linen, cotton) - modern-style wood pulp paper wasn't invented before the mid-1800s and required steam-powered machinery. Another being that the manufacture thereof would be highly unlikely to fall under pre-existing craft guilds and far more likely to simply be incorporated as a new one - there was no such thing as "excessive specialisation" in the Medieval guild systems.
Also, for the record, "patents" in the modern sense of "intellectual property rights" were first introduced in a very early form in Venice in the mid-1400s. In practical terms the closest equivalent was simply the de facto monopolies organised guilds exercised over their specialties in their cities, ie. entirely localised. This was also why "craft-mysteries" were a thing - the only way to try to monopolise any advanced technical know-how was to restrict access to it to people in whose interests it hopefully was to not spread it around, such as locally resident guild members of at least middling rank who could reasonably be expected to not pull up the stakes and go do their thing somewhere else.
But if any then did there generally wasn't very much the guild could actually do about it. For one example, during the English Civil War (1642–1651) a expatriate swordsmith from either Solingen or Passau (IDR which, don't have the reference on hand) - long-famed swordmaking centers in southern Germany - set up a manufactory in England and put his skills to work supplying quality blades for the combatants. The guildmasters of his home city were predictably aghast at their "trade secrets" being so flagrantly leaked and went so far as to put a price on his head, but as far as is known nobody ever actually tried to collect on the bounty and the rogue went about his flourishing business quite untroubled.
Which rather illustrates the starkly limited geographical scope of the influence of even prominent and important guilds, and why IP protections worth a damn had to come from first organised territorial states and later on agreements between those - actors whose reach didn't stop at the city gates.
And that's just the actual practical crafts producing concrete items. Intangible goods, ideas and stories, had even less protection (read as "none whatsoever") which is eg. why Cervantes eventually wrote a sequel to Don Quixote where he "torched the franchise and ran" so to speak - he got tired of sundry imitators penning shitty hackjob sequel stories and wrote a conclusive ending which unambiguously ended the eponymous hidalgo's adventures.
Also, for the record, "patents" in the modern sense of "intellectual property rights" were first introduced in a very early form in Venice in the mid-1400s. In practical terms the closest equivalent was simply the de facto monopolies organised guilds exercised over their specialties in their cities, ie. entirely localised. This was also why "craft-mysteries" were a thing - the only way to try to monopolise any advanced technical know-how was to restrict access to it to people in whose interests it hopefully was to not spread it around, such as locally resident guild members of at least middling rank who could reasonably be expected to not pull up the stakes and go do their thing somewhere else.
But if any then did there generally wasn't very much the guild could actually do about it. For one example, during the English Civil War (1642–1651) a expatriate swordsmith from either Solingen or Passau (IDR which, don't have the reference on hand) - long-famed swordmaking centers in southern Germany - set up a manufactory in England and put his skills to work supplying quality blades for the combatants. The guildmasters of his home city were predictably aghast at their "trade secrets" being so flagrantly leaked and went so far as to put a price on his head, but as far as is known nobody ever actually tried to collect on the bounty and the rogue went about his flourishing business quite untroubled.
Which rather illustrates the starkly limited geographical scope of the influence of even prominent and important guilds, and why IP protections worth a damn had to come from first organised territorial states and later on agreements between those - actors whose reach didn't stop at the city gates.
And that's just the actual practical crafts producing concrete items. Intangible goods, ideas and stories, had even less protection (read as "none whatsoever") which is eg. why Cervantes eventually wrote a sequel to Don Quixote where he "torched the franchise and ran" so to speak - he got tired of sundry imitators penning shitty hackjob sequel stories and wrote a conclusive ending which unambiguously ended the eponymous hidalgo's adventures.
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One of the funky consequences of parchment re-use is that some texts thought lost end up being rediscovered in the faint remains of ink left on re-used vellum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest
Unfortunately the writing is unrecoverable from basically all the ones scraped with pumice and the like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest
Unfortunately the writing is unrecoverable from basically all the ones scraped with pumice and the like.
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....wait, what was that about paper and orc?
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