Sousou no Frieren - Vol. 4 Ch. 32 - Orden Family

This is such a great story. How the platitudes are lightly touched and how the realism of life shines through every page making for a very well done fantasy.
 
@TheOneWhoPlays
Weck and weg(away) are homonyms, as are Bund and bunt for example
Dude, I'm German, have lived in several states and spent time in almost all of them. I've never heard anybody pronounce words like that.
Even the Duden (the most widespread German dictionary) agrees:
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Weg
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Weck_Broetchen_Backwerk
Scroll down to the speaker symbol and click it to hear the correct pronunciation. If those two really sound the same to you, you should probably get your ears checked out.
 
Oh hey, a filler episode. Did this anime already catch up with the manga?


Oh wait...
 
>Stark and Fern moments
>the Christmas illust has Himmel kissing Frieren

uchi no kokoro
uchi no tamashi
 
@Ulfhednar
No, @TheOneWhoPlays is right.

Weg as in "Geh weg" (Go away) is pronounced [vɛk]. Weck, another word for Brötchen, is pronunced [vɛk] as well.
You didn't read their comment correctly and misread weg (away) as der Weg (path, road), which is pronounced [veːk].
https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/weg_fort_abwesend_entfernt
 
@KleinerGruenerKaktus
Since there's not much sense in constantly repeating the same thing, here's the link to Wikipedia:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auslautverhärtung
It claims exactly what I've been saying the whole time - devoicing is a thing in the northern dialects, but not in any of the standardized varieties.
As for the phonetics, I can't find even a single German dictionary written in Germany that has phonetics for anything but loan words, so I've no clue where you took them from. And the link you posted (which is the one thing you got right - no clue why I ended up posting the link to Weg instead of weg) also has the pronunciation with a soft "g".
 
@Ulfhednar i was talking about the word weg not Weg, but that's beside the point. I concede that it might not be the case in all german dialects, but it's definitely a thing in at least some franconian dialects (source: have been speaking moselle franconian for 26 years now)
 
@Ulfhednar
So you decided link to a wiki article referring to a part that's been heavily discussed and you've missed the "standarddeutsche" Part.
Die standarddeutsche Auslautverhärtung ist eine Sonderentwicklung des nördlichen Deutschlands
The far southerners (Austria, parts of Bavaria, Switzerland and Südtirol) are the weird ones and outliers and not the other way around as you're claiming here:
devoicing is a thing in the northern dialects, but not in any of the standardized varieties.
So when we're talking about German (not Austrian/Swiss/etc.) standard German that's spoken by the majority of Germany (if they feel like speaking standard German) where final devoicing absolutely is a thing, we'll ignore the southerners.

The phonetics Duden is using on their website is kind of strange. It doesn't match how you'd usually transcribe German - or any other language. Maybe they changed it a bit to make it easier for the average person to understand. I think I've found the solution. The thing they list on this page isn't the Aussprache in IPA, but the Betonung which is also listed under Ausspache. Check any word with an Umlaut and you'll see that they don't have any phonetics there. However, you click the sound button for weg you'll hear a /k/ sound at the end.
I got my examples and information from Duden – Das Aussprachewörterbuch, ISBN: 978-3-411-04067-4, 7., komplett überarbeitete und aktualisierte Auflage https://imgur.com/a/2xOXeYI
It's got a large introductory part explaining about German phonetics. Definitely worth a look and better than some article on wikipedia.
 
@KleinerGruenerKaktus
Just accept it, only the northerners would pronounce "weg" like "Weck".
What Ulfhednar quoted from wiki is correct, there is no such thing as you claim in Vienna, Salzburg, Innsbruck, or Munich.
Never been to the savage northern lands but your weird local versions of our beautiful language are probably really as distorted there as you claim, but that's not Standardhochdeutsch.
 

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