Spirit Blade Mountain - Ch. 75
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Honestly they're both full of shit. I don't need to explain why the dude is, but...
Like, "if you can't manage it why are you cultivating at all"—what nonsense is she spouting? Aren't she and her protegee also folks that got told they couldn't cultivate well and then kept trying?
The life-exchange stuff sounds shady and foolish as-described, but her reasons when bashing it here are just dumb. It just boils down to "what's the point if it's easy". Yet, I don't see her getting upset with the protagonist for learning most things easily though...? >_>;
...Like, to put it to analogy: "Just be content being a mortal if you're not good at cultivating", sounds a lot like "just be content being poor if you're not good at making money" in this context. That's never the correct rebuke when someone is cheating to get money, just as it is not correct rebuke for shady magic practices here.
(I realize it's slightly more complicated because some quasi-religious stuff is ostensibly involved, but honestly people in this genre get away with doing so much quick-and-easy evil-path stuff for power that saying this one particular thing is the thing that violates some fundamental philosophical principle and invalidates the practice, seems rather suspect as a claim.)
Like, "if you can't manage it why are you cultivating at all"—what nonsense is she spouting? Aren't she and her protegee also folks that got told they couldn't cultivate well and then kept trying?
The life-exchange stuff sounds shady and foolish as-described, but her reasons when bashing it here are just dumb. It just boils down to "what's the point if it's easy". Yet, I don't see her getting upset with the protagonist for learning most things easily though...? >_>;
...Like, to put it to analogy: "Just be content being a mortal if you're not good at cultivating", sounds a lot like "just be content being poor if you're not good at making money" in this context. That's never the correct rebuke when someone is cheating to get money, just as it is not correct rebuke for shady magic practices here.
(I realize it's slightly more complicated because some quasi-religious stuff is ostensibly involved, but honestly people in this genre get away with doing so much quick-and-easy evil-path stuff for power that saying this one particular thing is the thing that violates some fundamental philosophical principle and invalidates the practice, seems rather suspect as a claim.)
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Exactly. They kept trying and succeded through perseverance and diligence not by trading their life-force for power. That's the whole point and the difference between the two elders.
One results in Wang Wu being much more powerful even though she is only at Jindan and becoming an elder alongside others much higher in cultivation grade in her sect while the other results in a sandcastle that would get washed away in the presence of true power.
Exactly. They kept trying and succeded through perseverance and diligence not by trading their life-force for power. That's the whole point and the difference between the two elders.
One results in Wang Wu being much more powerful even though she is only at Jindan and becoming an elder alongside others much higher in cultivation grade in her sect while the other results in a sandcastle that would get washed away in the presence of true power.
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@yalghozai:
Did you just say, "exactly", and then contradict everything I just said by... repeating the same dumb stuff I was complaining about the characters saying? If I'm reading you incorrectly, my apologies.
If I am reading you correctly, I don't know what to say, other than your assertions about things like "true power" in these self-insert fantasies indicates a great deal of credulity on your part about the nature of cause and effect in this kind of shittily-written thing. >_>;
Did you just say, "exactly", and then contradict everything I just said by... repeating the same dumb stuff I was complaining about the characters saying? If I'm reading you incorrectly, my apologies.
If I am reading you correctly, I don't know what to say, other than your assertions about things like "true power" in these self-insert fantasies indicates a great deal of credulity on your part about the nature of cause and effect in this kind of shittily-written thing. >_>;
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My saying "Exactly" was for your question of "Aren't she and her protegee also folks that got told they couldn't cultivate well and then kept trying?". And I elaborated on it, which, I guess you see as "the same dumb stuff I was complaining about". If keeping on trying to achieve a goal and not wavering and stooping to unethical means is dumb stuff to you, I don't know what to say.
I can "credulously" accept the nature of cause and effect in a fantasy precisely because it's a fantasy. If you are so against enjoying a work of Fantasy for what it is, why do you even read manhuas?
My saying "Exactly" was for your question of "Aren't she and her protegee also folks that got told they couldn't cultivate well and then kept trying?". And I elaborated on it, which, I guess you see as "the same dumb stuff I was complaining about". If keeping on trying to achieve a goal and not wavering and stooping to unethical means is dumb stuff to you, I don't know what to say.
I can "credulously" accept the nature of cause and effect in a fantasy precisely because it's a fantasy. If you are so against enjoying a work of Fantasy for what it is, why do you even read manhuas?
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@yalghozai:
And (repeating my original post after all, because why not) pray, why is sacrificing part of your life for power—instead of being born with it, or happening to find the perfect teacher, or whatever, if such a convenience exists for you, as it doesn't for most—unethical?
That is the dichotomy we're presented with, after all. It's not like all the people who failed didn't try as hard, just that "talent" and "potential" are excessively important to one's wizardly success in this sort of scenario.
So even if we're arguing some sort of "only hard workers deserve anything" branch of ethics (which, incidentally, tend to be very hypocritical: The logical conclusions of that line of thought IRL would include, for instance, that children of rich folk shouldn't inherent anything from their parents; instead all we tend to hear about along those lines is more how poor people should just accept being poor because, "obviously", that means they didn't work hard enough. That only hard workers are "deserving" is something that almost no one truly believes, simply because no one wants to think they're obligated to give up their own good fortune.)... where was I... Even if we are arguing that only hard workers are deserving, that objection doesn't stack up against the facts in this case: The insurmountable problem here is a talent gap, not an effort gap. Sacrificing part of your life to help bridge that might not be something I would do personally... but why on earth should it be considered unethical?
(The cult going around coercing people into hurting their own lifespan uninformed is another matter, of course.)
And (repeating my original post after all, because why not) pray, why is sacrificing part of your life for power—instead of being born with it, or happening to find the perfect teacher, or whatever, if such a convenience exists for you, as it doesn't for most—unethical?
That is the dichotomy we're presented with, after all. It's not like all the people who failed didn't try as hard, just that "talent" and "potential" are excessively important to one's wizardly success in this sort of scenario.
So even if we're arguing some sort of "only hard workers deserve anything" branch of ethics (which, incidentally, tend to be very hypocritical: The logical conclusions of that line of thought IRL would include, for instance, that children of rich folk shouldn't inherent anything from their parents; instead all we tend to hear about along those lines is more how poor people should just accept being poor because, "obviously", that means they didn't work hard enough. That only hard workers are "deserving" is something that almost no one truly believes, simply because no one wants to think they're obligated to give up their own good fortune.)... where was I... Even if we are arguing that only hard workers are deserving, that objection doesn't stack up against the facts in this case: The insurmountable problem here is a talent gap, not an effort gap. Sacrificing part of your life to help bridge that might not be something I would do personally... but why on earth should it be considered unethical?
(The cult going around coercing people into hurting their own lifespan uninformed is another matter, of course.)
