Takarakuji de 40 oku Atatta ndakedo Isekai ni Ijuu Suru - Vol. 4 Ch. 20.5 - Special Drawing and Bonus
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The really retarded thing is that somehow this society wouldn't know what butter is or how to make it already.
Butter has been around for over 10,000 years. A butter churn is hardly advanced technology. Meanwhile, this other world is depicting a society similar to that which existed in Europe just 1000 years ago.
So this is pretty stupid, the idea that "modern japanese man needs to come teach the savages how to make butter"
Butter has been around for over 10,000 years. A butter churn is hardly advanced technology. Meanwhile, this other world is depicting a society similar to that which existed in Europe just 1000 years ago.
So this is pretty stupid, the idea that "modern japanese man needs to come teach the savages how to make butter"
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It seems absurd from a Western standpoint, but for an island nation like Japan cheese and other dairy products were exclusively available to the aristocracy before the modern era, and was largely prohibited during the Buddhist era. The average Japanese didn't have dairy products until the Meiji era.
That explains why our otherwise thoughtful isekai author could imagine a feudal society with livestock but no dairy products beyond milk. There are all kinds of little drawbacks to living in a physically isolated region of the world.
That explains why our otherwise thoughtful isekai author could imagine a feudal society with livestock but no dairy products beyond milk. There are all kinds of little drawbacks to living in a physically isolated region of the world.
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Why do a butter shaker when a churn makes much more butter and is damn easy to make? Heck instead of a shaker or churn, a crank and paddle is much easier to work with for small batches. Seriously it's not like making butter is all that difficult.
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This likely takes place before he left Istria. There are a few different methods of making butter, but he only knew how to make one at that moment (ch 19, page 15/image 103), since he hasn't looked up the other less labor-intensive methods yet (i.e. wood churn, hand-crank paddle, electric mixer, blender, etc) nor does he have the tools for them...but he already had regular kitchen utensils for everyday cooking use, and any old small storage container with a good sealed lid would have been easily ready at hand in the kitchen.
This likely takes place before he left Istria. There are a few different methods of making butter, but he only knew how to make one at that moment (ch 19, page 15/image 103), since he hasn't looked up the other less labor-intensive methods yet (i.e. wood churn, hand-crank paddle, electric mixer, blender, etc) nor does he have the tools for them...but he already had regular kitchen utensils for everyday cooking use, and any old small storage container with a good sealed lid would have been easily ready at hand in the kitchen.
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Yeah, well, don't forget at the beginning, they were astounded by his amazing invention, the 'Shovel'. Should only be another 40 chapters before the all powerful 'Mayo' arrives 
Since they are squared away entirely in the early Bronze Age seemingly, he can probably introduce irrigation channels and crop & field rotations too. No way they know those techniques.
Surprised given how bad the drought seems to be, that the rivers are all as high and water wheel usable as they are.
Since they are squared away entirely in the early Bronze Age seemingly, he can probably introduce irrigation channels and crop & field rotations too. No way they know those techniques.
Surprised given how bad the drought seems to be, that the rivers are all as high and water wheel usable as they are.
Weird technological developments that seem anachronistic aren't too unreasonable; according to one source, it took something like 750 years to go from the potter's wheel to a wheel(tire/cart) in Egypt. There's the aeolipile from ancient Rome(?) that's basically a prototype steam engine (it needed to be hooked up to something to be useful... which they never did). Risou no Himo Seikatsu did a decent job with technology I thought; they got their food section in by having the continent be reptile-based, so while they have eggs, dairy products are largely unheard of (though there are cultures that have them a long ways off).
Were they actually impressed by shovels? I may be mixing up my series here, but I thought they were impressed by the *quality* of the tools he was using in this one, which would be perfectly reasonable.
Were they actually impressed by shovels? I may be mixing up my series here, but I thought they were impressed by the *quality* of the tools he was using in this one, which would be perfectly reasonable.
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You can recheck ch.2 (and comments, I made a joke about the phrasing). While they have been impressed by the quality of the tools he hands out for sure, that one just had the phrasing "thanks to this tool called Shovel!". I suppose they could only have had spades to date and had yet to make a more shovel type version, but it just felt like standard isekai silliness (next up, the 'wheel' and 'fire'
). I still enjoy the manga, but yeah, he is definitely jumping them up by tool material & design qualities, even if they don't have a hope of currently making additional ones of the same quality & durability (worse materials, inconsistent precision, etc). He could probably be tricked pretty easily into providing them large amount of a more military spade type (like https://www.amazon.com/Dohiker-Military-Entrenching-Gardening-Backpacking/dp/B071ZDGRDX?ref_=Oct_TopRatedC_3400921_2) and watch as the army goes from bronze swords to ~steel sharpened spades 
You can recheck ch.2 (and comments, I made a joke about the phrasing). While they have been impressed by the quality of the tools he hands out for sure, that one just had the phrasing "thanks to this tool called Shovel!". I suppose they could only have had spades to date and had yet to make a more shovel type version, but it just felt like standard isekai silliness (next up, the 'wheel' and 'fire'
). I still enjoy the manga, but yeah, he is definitely jumping them up by tool material & design qualities, even if they don't have a hope of currently making additional ones of the same quality & durability (worse materials, inconsistent precision, etc). He could probably be tricked pretty easily into providing them large amount of a more military spade type (like https://www.amazon.com/Dohiker-Military-Entrenching-Gardening-Backpacking/dp/B071ZDGRDX?ref_=Oct_TopRatedC_3400921_2) and watch as the army goes from bronze swords to ~steel sharpened spades @Moridin69 Ah, right... not having shovels at all like that does seem kind of off, especially in an agrarian society. Courtesy of a bit of research spawned from discussion somewhere else (possibly a different chapter of this same series...), I came across a few sources discussing fairly advanced non-migratory cultures that didn't really use wheels-- they used sleds and rolling logs for transport instead. (And, oddly enough, pottery wheels. Which is technically a wheel [as are rolling logs], but not really how most people mean it.)
As far as a series with technological development as a prominent factor, I have to say that I favor Risou no Himo Seikatus (*N comes across better than manga.)... the developments publically (vs MC's private use) introduced tend to be of the more subtle variety: The concept of coprime gears to dramatically increase the longevity of waterwheels, for instance. And after something like six volumes of time (at least a year), their efforts to produce glass... amount to making a small misshapen lump of black slag before their furnace self-destructs.
As far as a series with technological development as a prominent factor, I have to say that I favor Risou no Himo Seikatus (*N comes across better than manga.)... the developments publically (vs MC's private use) introduced tend to be of the more subtle variety: The concept of coprime gears to dramatically increase the longevity of waterwheels, for instance. And after something like six volumes of time (at least a year), their efforts to produce glass... amount to making a small misshapen lump of black slag before their furnace self-destructs.
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@Moridin69 now, them being impressed is important. Tool technology has developed so far that you take it for granted. Tools sucked dick when we had no level of percision, ability to easily make and manufacture metalic items. Being able to prepare lumber and all that is pretty tough too. Metal was very expensive back then and was reserved for weapons, some farm tools and mostly something the rich only had. With our metal presses which can easily stamp out thin steel shovels with ease is probably 800+ years away even with his help unless they got lucky. If they made shovels out of metal I'd bet they'd be thick heavy and they wouldn't last long. They would rust away.
The author seems to have done research on tools and technologies from the period that they are placing this planet. Heck their firepit they use has an interesting invention used in Europe well over a 1000 years ago. That twig holds the pot what that thing piece of wood acts like a prop and the rising air turns the prop and the pop making the meat, pot or whatever they are cooking gets heated more evenly.
What the MC is doing is kinda destroying a people by artificially increasing many aspects of the country that would most likely flop a short while after he is gone for good. Their foods do well mostly due to the stuff he brought from japan. Books are probably the only safe things to bring for the most part (imagine the languages are the same) and they re-imagine the tech and reverse engineer it themselves would mean they are building themselves up even if they are using the knowledge of others. So long as knowledge is stored and shared it can't really fuck them in the end. The world is further back than I initially thought if they didn't have something like a water wheel already, not for aqueducts as that would take more brains, but to use them to help process grain
The author seems to have done research on tools and technologies from the period that they are placing this planet. Heck their firepit they use has an interesting invention used in Europe well over a 1000 years ago. That twig holds the pot what that thing piece of wood acts like a prop and the rising air turns the prop and the pop making the meat, pot or whatever they are cooking gets heated more evenly.
What the MC is doing is kinda destroying a people by artificially increasing many aspects of the country that would most likely flop a short while after he is gone for good. Their foods do well mostly due to the stuff he brought from japan. Books are probably the only safe things to bring for the most part (imagine the languages are the same) and they re-imagine the tech and reverse engineer it themselves would mean they are building themselves up even if they are using the knowledge of others. So long as knowledge is stored and shared it can't really fuck them in the end. The world is further back than I initially thought if they didn't have something like a water wheel already, not for aqueducts as that would take more brains, but to use them to help process grain
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