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Slap the mom
The Duke of Death and His Black Maid - Vol. 5 Ch. 62 - Viola Running From Home
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@Yautja Of course she does, this is how she should be.
She is a typical matriarch of high society, her role is to breed and raise children in order to marry them to form political ties thus strengthening the position of her family, while she may have no direct say on the actual dealings of the family by controlling her children she controls the future of the state, the result of her actions probably has way more impact than whatever her husband does (and he is the one that is supposed to have the actual power), and in order to do so she has to shape her children into the perfect nobles, that means Viola has to behave as the matriarch dictates, the second son has to excel at everything to secure becoming a perfect replacement in case the first born's curse can't be lifted (or he dies), of course it seems she already forgot about her first son, in her eyes the boy can't be used anymore, however she never stopped putting pressure on the second one, thus she is a shit mother to all her children, but a competent upper class noble.
Like @Wordsmith said, on her hands she is dealing with stuff that wars are fought on, inheritances and status, lands and riches, power and rights, whatever her children want doesn't matters, this is business and the way of nobility, this is serious shit.
She is an aristocrat, her blood is blue, her tongue i sharp, and her coffers plentiful.
Matter of fact this is refreshing, the figure of the loving high born mother never made sense in fantasy (it is always a stepmom that was a total bitch), the matriarchs are busy figures they have marriages to arrange and parties to schedule to increase the standings of their household, they can't go losing face in front of the step and ruthless social ladder made of the unions between x-grade cousins that is high society, oh hell no! if possible she will marry one of her children to whoever is next in line to the throne, why? if she is lucky maybe 2 of her children to different kingdoms.
She is a typical matriarch of high society, her role is to breed and raise children in order to marry them to form political ties thus strengthening the position of her family, while she may have no direct say on the actual dealings of the family by controlling her children she controls the future of the state, the result of her actions probably has way more impact than whatever her husband does (and he is the one that is supposed to have the actual power), and in order to do so she has to shape her children into the perfect nobles, that means Viola has to behave as the matriarch dictates, the second son has to excel at everything to secure becoming a perfect replacement in case the first born's curse can't be lifted (or he dies), of course it seems she already forgot about her first son, in her eyes the boy can't be used anymore, however she never stopped putting pressure on the second one, thus she is a shit mother to all her children, but a competent upper class noble.
Like @Wordsmith said, on her hands she is dealing with stuff that wars are fought on, inheritances and status, lands and riches, power and rights, whatever her children want doesn't matters, this is business and the way of nobility, this is serious shit.
She is an aristocrat, her blood is blue, her tongue i sharp, and her coffers plentiful.
Matter of fact this is refreshing, the figure of the loving high born mother never made sense in fantasy (it is always a stepmom that was a total bitch), the matriarchs are busy figures they have marriages to arrange and parties to schedule to increase the standings of their household, they can't go losing face in front of the step and ruthless social ladder made of the unions between x-grade cousins that is high society, oh hell no! if possible she will marry one of her children to whoever is next in line to the throne, why? if she is lucky maybe 2 of her children to different kingdoms.
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If the MC wasn't such a nice guy this arc could have some actual tension. Mother being a problem? Give her a hug. Isn't that what a dutiful son should do? Why are you avoiding me mom?! I just want a hug!
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@friedtofu ironically enough this is one case in which you can't really blame it on the patriarchy, matriarchal or matrilineal societies also had this problem of political marriages, matter of fact it was even worse in them because the one deciding who marries who wasn't even the mother of the kids that would marry, but the great grand mother, priestess, shaman, chief, or whoever was in charge of the tribe/community.
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While all that may be mostly true or not, I wouldn't say any of that fits into my beef with the stereotypical and generic nature of the character and story. A stereotype, cliche or trope having historical or logical grounding doesn't make it any less of what it is or personally annoying. Shounen screaming about the power of friendship and getting ridiculous power ups or romances with douchebag parents provide the same 'levels' of cliche, and to me, irritation.
While all that may be mostly true or not, I wouldn't say any of that fits into my beef with the stereotypical and generic nature of the character and story. A stereotype, cliche or trope having historical or logical grounding doesn't make it any less of what it is or personally annoying. Shounen screaming about the power of friendship and getting ridiculous power ups or romances with douchebag parents provide the same 'levels' of cliche, and to me, irritation.
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@doomroar Right, there's still so much to discover regarding the "first mansion/family" besides Viola and the brother. Very interested to see the Mother/Father more and how they interact(if at all) with their family. You going for a job/degree in Anthropology? You sound brighter than half of my work colleagues lol.
@Yautja Characters having a douchebag parents is just as cliche as them having loving parents. Naruto, Conan, Eren, every Jojo leads, Midoriya all have loving parents.
Everything is a cliche. What really matters is the execution, not the concept itself.
Critiquing a media for small details being cliche is a very lazy criticism. If anything, you yourself is fitting into the "lazy contrarian critics who want stand out from the crowd" cliche
Everything is a cliche. What really matters is the execution, not the concept itself.
Critiquing a media for small details being cliche is a very lazy criticism. If anything, you yourself is fitting into the "lazy contrarian critics who want stand out from the crowd" cliche
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Ha, no. A single characteristic is not a cliche, a cliche is a collection of characteristics, certain events at certain times, etc. "Douchebag Parent" isn't a cliche. Controlling, self righteous, abusive, mildly justified aristocratic type parent looking out for the family name is a cliche. Rich, disapproving, controlling and possessive father that loves his daughter and thinks all men are animals and do not deserve his daughter is another one. A cliche isn't simple. It's a template, a collection of specifics that line up time and time again with different words. One simple thing cannot be cliche. "Douchebag" is not cliche unless it lines up with other specific characteristics, or general story lines.
You gave a list of terrible examples as they're all fairly good, not cliche, characters.
[ol]Naruto's parents have been given a lot of back story. While they may share many characteristics or general storylines with other parents, they're hardly classifiable as cliche. They're more classic than cliche.
[/ol][ol]Eren's mother on the other hand has been given little backstory. What little we have seen of her is typical parental traits. Typical is not the same as cliche.[/ol][ol]Midoriya's mother is anything but a typical or cliche mother. She obviously, like Eren's mother, shares typical parental traits, but the support in spite of the dangerous lifestyle he chose and obvious conflict she faces, his dreams vs his safety is done fantastically and, at least in my experience, is an uncommon character type. Certainly not a cliche.[/ol]
Ha, no. A single characteristic is not a cliche, a cliche is a collection of characteristics, certain events at certain times, etc. "Douchebag Parent" isn't a cliche. Controlling, self righteous, abusive, mildly justified aristocratic type parent looking out for the family name is a cliche. Rich, disapproving, controlling and possessive father that loves his daughter and thinks all men are animals and do not deserve his daughter is another one. A cliche isn't simple. It's a template, a collection of specifics that line up time and time again with different words. One simple thing cannot be cliche. "Douchebag" is not cliche unless it lines up with other specific characteristics, or general story lines.
Ha. Ha. Ha. Fuck no. Execution isn't the only thing that matters. Only a moron would say that. That one sentence changed my view of you from "guy who disagrees with me" to "physical embodiment of complete and utter ignorance with a Ph.D in talking out the ass". I'd love to see what even the most mediocre of author, salesperson, product manager or English teacher would have to say about the stupidest sentence written since the new year. You could sell the best, cheapest and most high quality pet rock, but it'd still be utterly fucking useless. You could write and draw the best, highest quality manga about the biology of the potato, and no one would give a damn. Your argument is the kind of thinking that gave birth to Waterworld and Spiderman 3.
You gave a list of terrible examples as they're all fairly good, not cliche, characters.
[ol]Naruto's parents have been given a lot of back story. While they may share many characteristics or general storylines with other parents, they're hardly classifiable as cliche. They're more classic than cliche.
[/ol][ol]Eren's mother on the other hand has been given little backstory. What little we have seen of her is typical parental traits. Typical is not the same as cliche.[/ol][ol]Midoriya's mother is anything but a typical or cliche mother. She obviously, like Eren's mother, shares typical parental traits, but the support in spite of the dangerous lifestyle he chose and obvious conflict she faces, his dreams vs his safety is done fantastically and, at least in my experience, is an uncommon character type. Certainly not a cliche.[/ol]
That may just be the stupidest thing you've said yet. Ever hear the idiom "the devil is in the details"? And an entire character, the mother of the protagonist, is hardly a small detail. Critiquing only what you like or dislike is lazy. Regurgitating critiques that are popular opinion word for word are lazy. Critiques that don't have any logical backing are lazy. Critiques like yours are lazy.
And you're fitting yourself into the guy who can't handle dissenting opinions cliche. Please, all your comment boils down to is "cliches are fine if I like them / think they're done well". So far, you've said not one, not two, but three incredibly stupid things all in under 100 words. You've written the stupidest comment that I've seen on the internet in 2019, and boy did you set the bar high.
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