Vinland Saga - Vol. 24 Ch. 172 - Sailing West Part 6

[NP-3228]

All the context aside, I like how realistic the way they have the character drawing his sword from the back. Unless its a short sword, thats one way to do it and sheath it. My arm at least is not long enough to draw one all the way by gripping the handle.

 

[babybucciarati]

comment section makes me disappointed y’all keep on slandering hild because she’s a woman and is still after thorfinn... so what if she’s annoying it’s not hard to forget your fathers killer... y’all str8 men never said anything ab thorfinn going after askeladd for 11 fucking years. I rest my case

 

[Yari-Kachi]

Ridiculous, hild is useless charachter to the point is annoying and thorfinn is naive psycopath. He's ready to sacrifice his wife and friends for the sake of his ideal Vinland.

@babybucciarati
Because thorfinn can't kill Askellad that's why, while hild's literally just conplicated bitch.

 

[unknownfactor]

@babybucciarati Yeah, exactly, everyone here seems to be forgetting that Thorfinn was both directly and indirectly responsible for everyone Hild knew and loved getting killed. Yeah, I'd be a bit of a bitch too- it's more surprising she hasn't killed him yet tbh. It'd take some amazing willpower to not immediately get vengeance for your loved ones, against someone responsible for ruining your entire life.

 

[babybucciarati]

@Yari are u even getting thorfinn’s idea? he wants a peaceful lands for his family and descendants to live on. Living in harmony with the natives. He’s not a psychopath nor selfish nor naive y’all are just used to murder weapon characters so accept his growth and maturity. Also thorfinn could kill askeladd but his dumb ass was so obsessive over honor that it could only count as a duel until he could be completely satisfied. I don’t want your ass attacking hild because she’s “complicated” shes much more mature about the situation and observes him. It’s almost hilarious watching her get under your skin because it proves your misogyny and I bet you never had a single complaint about thorfinns past only that he was a psychopath

 

[Ironclad]

@Yari-Kachi He has to be. If he was sane you'd be speaking Norwegian right now.

@babybucciarati Unfortunately Thorfinn knows nothing about the natives. If he did, he'd probably realize Greenland is more peaceful.

 

[DizzyDazzle]

@Arkos

Your original point, as I understood it, is that if you want peace, be prepared for war, and again, I'm saying that's an untrue statement. Both sides having weapons and being prepared for war does not guarantee peace. At all. The only thing that'll be guaranteed is that they'll be used. Long lasting peace comes from diplomacy, shared ideals, shared values, and trade. Literally talking. That is Thorfinn's plan. Has it worked in real life? Yes. Has it failed in real life? Also yes. Will it work in the story, I mean... probably.

Your other point, that intent is what matters, not the actual bringing of the sword, is not really true either. Bringing the sword shows Eynar's intent: to use a sword. He shows that his intent is not peace. Yes, he can use a spear to kill people, and yes, spears are probably more effective than swords, but I think you're being too literal with that Thorfinn is saying. It's about what the sword represents. The sword is a tool that is only meant for killing people. If someone had said they want to bring a war axe, or mace, or a flail, or whatever, the answer would be the same. This is a "read between the lines" moment. If you can't give up your sword, the killing tool you seem to be very comfortable with, then you don't want the same thing that I do. Leave it behind or don't come. Your weapon, and it's intended purpose, is going to lead you to a place where you're going to use it for its intended use, and I don't want that in Vinland.

 

[gartender]

I'm seeing a lot of hate for Hild in the comments. I'm not going to bash on Hild's storyline, as I haven't dug up enough there, but the way she reacted to Thorfinn after laying out his ideology about swords is so narrow minded.

No where in his explanation does he excuse himself of what he did in the past, he is just explaining what he wants for his future. What she did is twist his words into "It's not my fault that I killed so many people, it's the sword's whisper," when that's clearly not what he was saying at all.

Her blind pursuit for vengeance is a character flaw that I can appreciate and something that I expect to be worked through and fleshed out. In the chapter before thus, we saw that she was going back to working on her designs and inventions, and she'll probably go back to what she was before her tragedy.

Yeah, her character is currently one dimensional, because she is defined by her goal, and her one goal right now is to prove that Thorfinn's words are empty and to kill him.



So I lied. I wasn't going to talk about Hild's story, but then I did. I'm probably forgetting a bunch of stuff about her.

Tl;dr

Started this comment about how I didn't like how narrow minded her reaction to Thorfinn was, but then started talking about how this narrow mindedness is a character flaw that needs to be addressed, so all y'all need to chill on the bitch.

 

[rebel16]

@smegmo-the-unclean Murder rates, per 100,000 inhabitants:

United States: 4.96
United Kingdom: 1.20

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Not sure what we're supposed to be surprised about here.

 

[adikariswanda]

Ahaha what a happy family

 

[rokegle135]

I gotta say vinland lost some of its shine its at best alright to me after they cleared away all the violence

 

[Xcaliblaster]

What he tried to say was that the human mind is weak and humans will try to whatever thing is at hand in this case, the sword

 

[beperov]

@kliu27 OC character? a good chunk of characters in the series are OC, most interactions in this series are OC even

 

[Skiepher]

@rokegle135 well this is the last arc which literally is the near ending of Thorfinn's story.

 

[Rockdrop]

In thorfin's world, anyone with a weapon is a psychopath. Imagine him living in america with all the gun politics. Oh wait, where he going to a settle again?

 

[Nod]

Regardless of what anyone thinks about the merits of the arguments presented, the guy wiped out his sword and had to be restrained by two men during an argument with someone he spoke the same language with, so I'm thinking no, he can't bring a sword to vinland. Also sure Hild immediately pointing a crossbow at Thorfins face for using an analogy is childish and beneath her to say the least; but you have to remember that what a character says isn't always the sum total of what they mean or know (sig and his father are good examples of this). if it were any of us, and the dude who murdered your father in front of you said something about his weapon making him do it; you'd probably lose your composer and freak out too, even if you knew that's not really what they meant.

 

[supermoonchrome]

the writing is awful. characters have become flanders.

 

[Yari-Kachi]

@babybucciarati
Are you replying to my comment? If yes then my username is "Yari-Kachi" not "Yari", we are different person.

Do i getting the Thorfinn's idea? Yes i get it. But is this said "idea" works in this world or in the manga universe? Absolutely not, it just stated by that viking fella with the thick accent.

 

[Broken25]

The metaphor flied way over Hilde head

And seeing the comments, it flew over a bunch of the readers heads too

 

[FKU]

The guy with the sword deliberately sets up a convenient straw man for Thorfinn to knock down. Yes, of course rash and irritable people with weapons are a danger. But the balance argument is still valid, once there are weapons in the world at all, in the long run you will be on the losing end if you don't have them. One sided disarmament or even just military weakness is a game theoretic dead end, as the graves of hundreds of tribes, civilizations and ethnicities bear witness to. If there is a faction or just someone willing to use violence against you no matter what, no commitment to any principle in the world is going to save you if cannot compel your opponents to stop with violence. There's also a pretty obvious historical example how a two-sided arms race can actually save the peace: the Cold War. Would it have stayed cold if either the USSR or the US were much weaker than the other? No, all the incentives would have pointed into the direction of taking over by force.

The real solution to this dilemma, as hundreds of years of political philosophy try to point out, is to constrain the use of violence behind principled but strong institutions, such that its use never comes easy, but when it comes, it's decisive in your favor, and hopefully the institutions are set up in a way to compel you to be at least somewhat moral in your victory.