Sakura-chan to Amane-kun - Ch. 8
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That's no gaijin 4koma, is it a geezer 4koma? Although it actually has 5 panels, but let's not get stuck in the details.
Although it was better this way, but I'd have also wanted to see Amane give chocolate to Sakura. She (in her female form) could have done it publicly, and any lack of guts wouldn't have prevented it either. It would have gone against both of their roles, but such a conflict isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Although it was better this way, but I'd have also wanted to see Amane give chocolate to Sakura. She (in her female form) could have done it publicly, and any lack of guts wouldn't have prevented it either. It would have gone against both of their roles, but such a conflict isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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You know, I read the whole chapter having completely forgotten about the gender switch. I was assuming it was yuri . . . it made perfectly decent yuri.
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Did the translator not read the previous chapters to see that "trap and reverse trap" might not be the best labels for these characters or what
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@EvelynIsGone i believe they were more so calling out the recent trend these days in anime of having "trap" characters, not necessarily that these characters specifically are literal "traps"
@toka to be fair, its been 3 months, but it is quite the coincidence that they both uploaded at basically the same time
@toka to be fair, its been 3 months, but it is quite the coincidence that they both uploaded at basically the same time
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@EvelynIsGone Because that's what it was? It was a joke about the traditional boy meets girl setting getting no reaction out of those geezers, while the double convoluted setting left them shocked. From an outside observer's pov the MCs of this series are a trap and a reverse trap. A trap is nothing but a term to describe a situation where a character's real gender was suddenly revealed to the audience to be the opposite to what they believed. This matches Amane and Sakura 100% when they are on their dates, crossdressing.
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maybe if they didn't read the story yes
this is such a shittily inaccurate description it's ridiculous. This could easily be applied to a number of situations that no one in their right mind would call a character a "trap" about. For instance, say there's a story where the characters hear a feminine name, assume it belongs to a girl, but then when they meet the person with that name it turns out to be a buff, hairy cis dude. That would by no means be a "trap," but by your definition it would apparently meet the criteria. or a transgender girl who looks masculine being revealed to be, in fact, a trans girl, rather than a cis guy. would you call that a "trap"? I think it would be a ridiculously inaccurate description of the character.
that's how vague and bad your description of the term is... and yet it still can't really be applied to amane because amane's gender matches the original appearance we got from the character. so despite your description being vague it can't even apply to one of the characters it was used for in any sense.
i might be able to give you sakura-- but the character is, at minimum, questioning their gender identity at this point in the story, so putting a definitive label of "this is a crossdresser" is just dumb at this point unless you have word of the author outside of the manga to support what you say.
trans =/= crossdressing
maybe if they didn't read the story yes
this is such a shittily inaccurate description it's ridiculous. This could easily be applied to a number of situations that no one in their right mind would call a character a "trap" about. For instance, say there's a story where the characters hear a feminine name, assume it belongs to a girl, but then when they meet the person with that name it turns out to be a buff, hairy cis dude. That would by no means be a "trap," but by your definition it would apparently meet the criteria. or a transgender girl who looks masculine being revealed to be, in fact, a trans girl, rather than a cis guy. would you call that a "trap"? I think it would be a ridiculously inaccurate description of the character.
that's how vague and bad your description of the term is... and yet it still can't really be applied to amane because amane's gender matches the original appearance we got from the character. so despite your description being vague it can't even apply to one of the characters it was used for in any sense.
i might be able to give you sakura-- but the character is, at minimum, questioning their gender identity at this point in the story, so putting a definitive label of "this is a crossdresser" is just dumb at this point unless you have word of the author outside of the manga to support what you say.
trans =/= crossdressing
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@EvelynIsGone I need to write at length for a simple thing when you in fact know perfectly well what I'm talking about? Sorry, but that would be too childish.
Amane is (for the time being) a girl who looks like a boy on their dates. Sakura is a boy who looks like a girl on their dates. Just look at the cover page of this manga. That's a reverse trap and a trap by the definition of those words, especially as far as the joke was concerned. It was a self-contained joke. This manga also began with a long scene where nothing was explained, so technically a reader could start to read this randomly without knowing anything, all the way to the panel where Sakura removed his wig. It also reflect the joke quite well.
You don't become the opposite gender just by writing so in your diary. You also can't be part-time male, part-time female, which would be required for Amane to really be a man right now. "He" couldn't be a boy and still use the women's toilets and changing rooms at school. Not even his family knows how he feels. That's not really any way to establish yourself as the opposite gender. I have no idea what protocols and requirements Japan has for it to happen, but that's what it takes.
Amane is (for the time being) a girl who looks like a boy on their dates. Sakura is a boy who looks like a girl on their dates. Just look at the cover page of this manga. That's a reverse trap and a trap by the definition of those words, especially as far as the joke was concerned. It was a self-contained joke. This manga also began with a long scene where nothing was explained, so technically a reader could start to read this randomly without knowing anything, all the way to the panel where Sakura removed his wig. It also reflect the joke quite well.
You don't become the opposite gender just by writing so in your diary. You also can't be part-time male, part-time female, which would be required for Amane to really be a man right now. "He" couldn't be a boy and still use the women's toilets and changing rooms at school. Not even his family knows how he feels. That's not really any way to establish yourself as the opposite gender. I have no idea what protocols and requirements Japan has for it to happen, but that's what it takes.
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@Kaarme you don't need to "write at length" anything you just need to not make up shitty definitions that i can easily poke holes in
no
This may come as a surprise to you but trans guys are guys even pre-HRT, that doesn't suddenly just start being a thing. If you disagree you're free to take this up with every major scientific institution in the world, which all support this conclusion, though i'm sure that will be a fruitless effort for you
And the rest of your post is predicated on this belief so I might as well not even address the rest of the times you essentially repeat this statement
as if to further solidify that you're a complete idiot you say something like this. no one in the world holds this belief. this is just the biggest straw man possible.
he's pretending to be a girl at school and home. he's not a "part-time female." he's doing something for his own safety in life, because if he went to his parents and said "i'm gonna live as a boy now" they might not be accepting and it could ruin his life.
woah dude be careful not to cut yourself on that edge bruh
no
This may come as a surprise to you but trans guys are guys even pre-HRT, that doesn't suddenly just start being a thing. If you disagree you're free to take this up with every major scientific institution in the world, which all support this conclusion, though i'm sure that will be a fruitless effort for you
And the rest of your post is predicated on this belief so I might as well not even address the rest of the times you essentially repeat this statement
as if to further solidify that you're a complete idiot you say something like this. no one in the world holds this belief. this is just the biggest straw man possible.
he's pretending to be a girl at school and home. he's not a "part-time female." he's doing something for his own safety in life, because if he went to his parents and said "i'm gonna live as a boy now" they might not be accepting and it could ruin his life.
woah dude be careful not to cut yourself on that edge bruh
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I don't think anyone believed it wasn't a joke, it was literally in a meme format, just that it was one in poor taste given the context. It's easy to find the joke funny when it's about some cis dude dressing up as a girl for whatever reason, but kinda disrespectful when it's a story about a trans boy and a possible trans girl. It's grouping trans people in with people who crossdress by choice, should be obvious why that isn't everyone's cup of tea.
